Zathras: Don't you think lynching someone for a kook claim is a good way to make sure no one ever claims it again?
I am unconvinced that doing the opposite is any good either: if we
don't lynch the claimant, just because he claimed, we are implicitly believing him, and makes it a valuable gambit for a scum not to be lynched D1. I'm not saying lynch them just for that, but in no way give them a free pass for it either, which is what your question implies. I think hanging them is right
unless scummier targets are present. At the moment, the only other one in my mind is Org, about equally scummy, so I'm very tempted to test his kook claim by hanging him.
This post by Argembarger has, in my opinion, the right approach:
MBP is one of my top scumpicks. Because I have to ask... Why claim Kook at all? You were asked for your alignment. Your alignment, as a Kook, is presumably Town. [...]And as you were just answering a question about your alignment, you would safely be able to say "town" without it being a lie. [...] And if you got killed/lynched because of it anyway, well, it's because you were a Kook. Them's the breaks. [...] And I'd be willing to lynch you just to get that wine out of my face.
MysteriousBluePuppet, them's the breaks.
"Them's the breaks" is right; some roles are intrinsically more lynchable than others, and kook is right up there, just because it's a safe dopp fakeclaim. Again, I only advocate doing this if the purported "kook" is also scummy enough to hang. But he is:
He has only six posts in the entire game; here are the
entirety of them:
Mysteriousbluepuppet.
Tell me your alignment. I strongly recommend that you don't lie.
Oh well. I'd be rather interested to say it. But you would probably not believe it. That's so distressing!
Anyway. Joker, if you win an average of 14.50$ an hour, and that your flat cost you 450$ a mont, how long before this question is baloney?
I know. But why doesn't he just say it then? It's odd. Things that are odd make me suspicious.
I'm town, but whoever checking it would have otherwise. You know how that feel Jim.
If you're going to claim Kook, why don't you just come out and say it? Don't just beat around the bush.
Well now that would be pretty obvious, would it not ?
Leaf, i could very well say that i am a Kook, but would you really believe me ? Or just lynch me <to be sure>?
Leaf, i could very well say that i am a Kook, but would you really believe me ? Or just lynch me <to be sure>?
I don't see a problem. An early kook claim is always better.
Well you have it. Really it's easy to see. i'm a Kook, was just somewhat hesitant, in case this game include Modwrath for roleclaiming.
To Argem, i claimed since it's the good thing to do, and was invited to by Leafsnail. A detective wont lose a night on me, since he is aware he will get a dopp read. I invite whoever got a telepath read to do it on me if he want to.
I'm not really secretive, specially since i already claimed my role. As i said, i tried not to say it directly, since welll, it's a bastard mod. There could very well be hidden clause about claiming.
If i missed any other question please point em to me. I'll be at work till later tonight, i'll answer then
Also, Extension
a) He posted an idiotic random vote, and then
nothing else other than this kook business.
b) He was asked his alignment, and he didn't respond, waffled, deflected, and didn't
actually claim it until his penultimate post.
c) "Kook" isn't his alignment. If he's a townie kook, then his alignment is "town". I say he knows enough to see the difference, but plays dumb well enough to get away with it.
d) His last post is clearly disingenuous. "Modwrath"? "a hidden clause about claiming"? Please. Even he doesn't buy that. "It's a good thing to do" Oh, how townie of you. "I claimed my role" no you didn't, you claimed kook, but nothing else. Enough waffling, wine and half-truths there to fill a pigsty.
e) Otherwise,
utterly useless, just as much as Org or Jokerman.
Sure, not an overwhelming case, but just as strong as that on the other top contenders. If we had a
clearly scummier target, I'd be going against them instead, but we don't at the moment. I do think there's real value in testing his kook claim, mostly because I think he's a dopp using it as a safeclaim. If we dismiss his scummitude
just for that, we increase it's value as a dopp tactic just as much as we'd discourage townies from claiming it if we lynched him just for it. Lynch him because he's scummy and his flip would be informative.
Two further points touched by others:
1) As Toaster said, a kook claim is a
null tell. So treat it like a null tell and hang him if he's scummy enough to hang, don't treat it as a positive "if we hang him, no one will ever claim kook again!" thing. If he's given a free pass for it, you can be sure more people will claim it in future games: the dopps.
2) As was explained to Arg earlier, we
have to hang someone today. This is generally true in mafia, but doubly so in a bastard, as a flip will give us precious puzzle pieces to form a larger picture of what's going on and how the mod will report it.
On the puzzle:
Zath: In addition to my question above, which race do you think the bastardry revolves around the most- human, dopp, or alien?
I think the bastardry will be more related to the setting, balance, wincons and interactions, rather than races. But I have little to go on but mere speculation.
There's really nothing saying that there even *is* a puzzle so far, other than the meta argument that this is a Bastard Mod. Could be different. [...] why would you assume that win conditions seem to be somewhat tied to the puzzle?
This is in the Original Post:
A Bastard Mod version.[...]
2) There may be some hidden abilities or changes to roles on a player by player basis. Some of these may be minor changes for flavor reasons, some may have a large impact on the game.
3) Your win condition may or may not be obvious. Part of this game is figuring out the puzzle.
4) I may choose not to answer questions posed to me.
5) The Rules are, generally, as stated in the second post.
Things I will NOT do:
1) I will not outright lie to you in your Role PM or my statements about the game. Flavor, however, is fair game
Also, while I have Janus' attention:
Thoughts so far:
- Mysteriousbluepuppet - probably just new
- Zathras - helpful, leaning towards town, too focused on Bastarditude
I point out that:
a) I'm focused on bastarditude because it's important: it's right there in the thread title.
b) MBP is
not new. He has been playing here longer than I have. He almost won BYOR4 back in September or thereabouts, yes? That was my first (non-BM) game here. He was acting lurky, evasive, noobish and so on there too, and he was scum (arsonist). He may not be too smart or incisive, but he's not noober than I am, he just plays that card well, but it'd be dangerous of us to buy the act. But meta-wise, he's not a good liar. If he must conceal something he's more prone to lurk, deflect or ignore than outright lie until pressed; like he knows that if he lies he'll be called on it. That is
exactly what his behaviour here has been; he didn't actually
claim kook until five posts into the waffling "am I? Should I say? would you believe me?" act.
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