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[Sordid]

I cannot because my system does not runs Dosbox very well

Hm, how convenient.

Also, why should I be the one to play it?

Because you're in the minority here, for one thing. And I'm certainly not going to be baited into installing the damn thing and running through the intro dungeon several times just to prove you wrong.

They were randomly generated in the sense that it used a random number generator to build all dungeons and towns, but they were static in the sense that each town and dungeon always used the same random seed thus it looked exactly the same every time you played, and quite likely there were some variables set by hand (like "this town has a wall = true", or "this town has a castle in the northeast corner = true"). This is what is called "procedural".

Yep, that's pretty much spot on. The town with the long main street was actually Daggerfall, IIRC, ie. the most important location in the game. So it stands to reason more of it was designed by hand.

[Sergius]

They were randomly generated in the sense that it used a random number generator to build all dungeons and towns, but they were static in the sense that each town and dungeon always used the same random seed thus it looked exactly the same every time you played, and quite likely there were some variables set by hand (like "this town has a wall = true", or "this town has a castle in the northeast corner = true"). This is what is called "procedural".

Yep, that's pretty much spot on. The town with the long main street was actually Daggerfall, IIRC, ie. the most important location in the game. So it stands to reason more of it was designed by hand.

I'm sure that at the very least they tested and tweaked the city seed and parameters until they were happy with the results.

[jmancube]

Also, why should I be the one to play it?

Cause despite it's age, Daggerfall is still really fun. Everyone should play it

[Shadowlord]

I played it until I got frustrated with main-quest-breaking bugs, bugs that broke non-main-quest quests, and ridiculously huge insane dungeons where you had to wander around aimlessly to find MacGuffins for hours with time limits on your quests, never gaining any skill in magic, and so on. In short, the annoyance factor got too large.

[PTTG??]

I played it until I got killed by a bat in the first dungeon in like two hits.

[Moddan]

Yeah the dungeons were insane. I even got lost in the beginner dungeon when I started.

[Sordid]

Yeah. They were insanely huge, the map was total crap, and everything looked fucking identical to everything else. I did love the size. I think the smaller dungeons in Morrowind and Oblivion don't really give you the same sense of delving into ancient tunnels deep beneath the earth. Long-forgotten ancient vaults guarded by eldritch abominations and filled with unimaginable riches sort of lie twenty meters from the entrance door. But everything else about the DF dungeons was terrible.

[Neonivek]

Well the largest problem with Oblivion was the heavy dose of "Rince and repeat" to the extent that later on you honestly felt like you were grinding the exact same locations.

I've entered Elven Temples and sometimes even I thought I was in an earlier dungeon.

Unfortunately this applies to even story missions.

[Sensei]

It doesn't help that there were only a finite number of Oblivion plane dungeons- far less than there were portals, so you often ended going through identical dungeons.

[Neonivek]

It doesn't help that there were only a finite number of Oblivion plane dungeons- far less than there were portals, so you often ended going through identical dungeons.

It especially doesn't help that the Oblivion plane dungeons were HUGE set peices.

[Nivim]

I miss levitation. That was a great spell, too bad it doesn't seem like its coming back in skyrim...

Ah flight; one of the greatest things in so many videos games, and greater in real life. It's seems to be a habit of development teams to put it in early games because it's so cool, then take it away in later versions because of sheer sloth it conflicts with other things they want to do.

[Cheese]

Some new stuff(?) on levelling and skills in Skyrim on RPS.

[Draignean]

That Khajit looks half decent too! Oblivion khajit were just... bleh.

AH GOD NO STARSIGNS TO PICK??!!

RAEG.

Oblivion you have 8 attributes and 21 skills. Now it’s 18 skills and 3 attributes.

3

3!!! What the friaggagfhf2#&#@*!!!  Let me guess, Strength, Intelligence, Agility. Or Fighter, Mage, Thief.  You hear that? That is the sound of my optimism dying.

Edit: Wrong, but I was close. "The attributes, meanwhile, are distilled to Health, Magicka and Stamina"


They've got a load of screenies I haven't seen, more here too.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/18/20-best-things-about-skyrim/#comment-670001

[Neonivek]

Some new stuff(?) on levelling and skills in Skyrim on RPS.

I am starting to wonder if the Skyrim development team played Oblivion...

Also I am starting to sort of dislike the perk system in certain ways. I liked that skills at certain levels got you perks and while I am not against earning additional perks that require your skill level to be at a certain level.

What frustrates me is that they sort of, judging by what they are saying, are trying to get you to use your specific skills more and more without touching the other skills or else you run out of useful perks.

[Felius]

That Khajit looks half decent too! Oblivion khajit were just... bleh.

AH GOD NO STARSIGNS TO PICK??!!

RAEG.

Oblivion you have 8 attributes and 21 skills. Now it’s 18 skills and 3 attributes.

3

3!!! What the friaggagfhf2#&#@*!!!  Let me guess, Strength, Intelligence, Agility. Or Fighter, Mage, Thief.  You hear that? That is the sound of my optimism dying.

Edit: Wrong, but I was close. "The attributes, meanwhile, are distilled to Health, Magicka and Stamina"


They've got a load of screenies I haven't seen, more here too.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/18/20-best-things-about-skyrim/#comment-670001

I actually liked a bit the attribute change, because this seems to mean we will not have to grind half a dozen non related skills to get the best of each level up, so if I want to play a pure mage, it'll not make my stats suck.

Now, the dynamic world leveling, I hope we don't get glass wield level 30 random bandits.