Just because some people do not think that spears are cool does not mean that they should not be included at all.
Just because some people think spears should be included despite the fact that almost nobody wants them does not mean that they should be included.
Can you back that up? At all?
Oooh, well done removing the original quote that I was responding to. Well I've added it back to restore the proper context. If you want backing up, I suggest you start at the top of the quote chain.
Why does the name of the skill matter that much, anyway? Or of the items themselves?
If they don't matter, then why are you so staunchly defending splitting the skills and including spears?
Note that there are more spears than there are, say, 2-handed maces or 2-handed swords. It's hardly just a silly niche weapon.
Um, there are just as many throwing weapons as there are spear weapons. You don't mean to tell me throwing weapons are a more major way of inflicting damage on monsters than claymores, do you?
Yet there are people disagreeing with you here, and not many agreeing. What exactly are you basing this opinion of yours on?
Yeah, I realize my words in favor of simplification posted on a forum dedicated to an astonishingly overengineered world simulation are likely to fall on deaf ears. What else is new.
Let me get this straight. Carrying a forged steel mace, or a halberd, or a pike, or a war hammer makes you look like a peasant?
It makes me feel like one. It's a matter of opinion, though.
Jesus, you're starting to sound like some kind of weird weapon fundamentalist. I didn't think those existed, but it should suffice to say that not everyone feels as strongly as you do about this.
Are you even paying attention? I'm the one mocking you guys for being anal about weapon skills.
A certain level of abstraction is necessary, but enough is enough and lumping all weapon types into one or two skills is, in the opinion of myself and literally everyone I've talked to about this, too much.
I assume you've only talked about this to other people on this forum. Because in case you haven't noticed, TES games sell quite well. So I guess all those millions of people who bought Oblivion don't really mind.
Have you thought of people being able to roleplay in an RPG game and they all have different preferred weapons?
No. See the distinction between computer RPGs (specifically TES) and tabletop RPGs I made earlier. With a few exceptions, people don't play cRPGs to roleplay, they play them to raise their numbers, get the sword with the biggest numbers, and then use their numbers to decrease enemy numbers. /yahtzee
Using your own logic Sordid, Swords are just enlarged knives. This you willfully ignored to make your overzealous point. And Knives are tools too.
While that is technically true, the sword is evolved way past the critical point of everyday usefulness. You could take a battle axe and use it to chop wood without much difficulty. You could not use a sword to cut your food without a great deal of difficulty.
Everyone knows that it's important to have a big, long spear, even if you don't fight often. Be sure to have to have the maid keep it polished, too.
Lord Vivec agrees.
Many people DO imagein swords as the 'coolest' weapons, likely becouse they are the tools of a Warrior. But spears are the tools if a Soldier, and contrary to what some may beleive Soldiers and Warriors are not the same thing. While a Warrior might be better one on one, might being the main word, Soldiers just get better the more other Soldiers they work with, while Warriors just stay the same no matter how many others they work with.
So where exactly do the Roman legions fit into this? They fought with swords and relied heavily on formations.
Spears are the weapons of Soldiers, you can fight on your own, even againsts multible people, with a sword and perhaps a shield, a spear? You need allies or to be on a horse for them to be used to their very best. I personily like spears more, they can be used as a Warriors weapon, but you need more skill to do so than you would for a sword.
So basically you can't fight one against many with a spear. Except that you can. Right. Got it.
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I have small points. Sheesh.