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[Realmfighter]

But everyone has power.

[Neonivek]

But everyone has power.

But you need to act upon it

[Realmfighter]

Everyone acts on it.

Some people just use theres to influence others.

[Neonivek]

Everyone acts on it.

Some people just use theres to influence others.

But in order to, especially substantially. You need to have virtue of some sort.

[Realmfighter]

Virtue (Latin virtus; Greek ἀρετή "arete") is moral excellence. A virtue is a trait or quality deemed to be morally excellent and thus is valued as a foundation of principle and good moral being.

A "Bad person" who has lots of passion would be able to influence others?

[Neonivek]

A bad person with absolutely no passion, no hope, no real willpower, would never be able to influence anyone nor would they ever really try to.

Just look at what the virtues are.

[Realmfighter]

A person with absolutely no passion, no hope, no real willpower, would never be able to influence anyone nor would they ever really try to.

fixed there for you.

[Neonivek]

A person with absolutely no passion, no hope, no real willpower, would never be able to influence anyone nor would they ever really try to.

fixed there for you.

Yeah it works both ways.

My only point really was that the traits we associate with people who we consider to be good virtuous people are often the same traits that people we considered to be "Evil" use.

It is one reason why I think the idea of an idealised hero is sort of flawed in it of itself because the stronger the vision the less capable they are of breaking it. The Supreme Hero would likely never see their mistakes and destroy everything around them.

[Psyco Jelly]

I think we need to embrace the fact that human culture in general is a wonderfully chaotic stewing pot of varying ideals. As far as morals/religions/ideals/philosophies go, isn't it safe to assume that the more popular ones will stick around? And isn't there a reason that they became so popular? The entire scene is constantly changing. A good example would be Baptism in Alabama, in which I live.

Protestant Christianity is THE religion here, and it's almost in shambles. The people that populate the churches will not be alive in twenty years, and the next few generations have been growing further and further away from the old Baptist traditions. Churches as places of socialization are now outdated (I blame society's lack of emphasis on socialization), and it's starting to show. The south is much less friendly than it used to be. Drug abuse is through the roof. All of my siblings have seriously messed themselves up, my cousins, everyone except for me and my nephew (and he even did a lot of stuff before quitting it all) has had serious problems with it. Hell, when he went to join the Army, the recruiter called Huntsville 'Drug City'.

This doesn't mean we should force Baptism on everyone here, even if it would help some of the youth's problems (which we don't know if it would.) It just means that we need to think of something other than drugs that can keep us entertained.

[MrWiggles]

It's interesting to note that many developing countries have more tolerent attitudes than many western or developed countries.

Err, how so? I see some, but not many.

Did I say many? sorrry, i meant some.

Example?

[ed boy]

Got a "No Solicitation" sign on the door or something? I find it can help to keep Jehovah's Witnesses away, which are what frequent my town.

Funnily enough, where I live, the Jehova's witnesses are the only ones that come despite one of those.

[Earthquake Damage]

All of my siblings have seriously messed themselves up, my cousins, everyone except for me and my nephew (and he even did a lot of stuff before quitting it all) has had serious problems with it. Hell, when he went to join the Army, the recruiter called Huntsville 'Drug City'.

You profile says you're 17.  How old is your eldest sibling?  35?  That's a pretty wide spread.  Consider me impressed, amazed, stunned, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.

[Muz]

So Hitler was a misguided yet virtuous man?

The worst villains are the ones who believe they are right. He wouldn't have killed so many if he didn't believe that it was for the greater good.

Same goes for just about every other major evil humanity has committed. Name one truly evil thing someone has done, then try to say that it wasn't justified with a good intention.

[ECrownofFire]

So Hitler was a misguided yet virtuous man?

The worst villains are the ones who believe they are right. He wouldn't have killed so many if he didn't believe that it was for the greater good.

Same goes for just about every other major evil humanity has committed. Name one truly evil thing someone has done, then try to say that it wasn't justified with a good intention.

Remind's me of ein's signature quote from C.S. Lewis...

[Earthquake Damage]

But everyone has power.

What power?

The power of voodoo.

Who do?

You do.

Do what?

Have a power.

...

I don't think that's quite how that goes.