Oh, you are one high maintenance little bitch, aren't you?
lol u mad
This makes me really happy. Ain't so fun being on the receiving end, is it?
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This is unhelpful, and attempting to erase my actual words from your reply is a scummy attempt to phrase the conversation around your preconceptions... you know, like you accused me of doing for my daring to respond to Person instead of massaging your need for attention?
It saves space, and preserves the link to the original post so that whoever's interested can go look and confirm that I am in fact responding to the general content of the post and frequently the specific content. And I'm still responding to you directly, aren't I? Quote for quote sparring isn't exactly the most fun thing to do in a mafia game. I don't know how
you feel on the subject.
This is a stylistic choice and completely irrelevant to whether or not I think you are scum.
So why did you wait for me to prod you before you did your due diligence and fill the gap in your issuance of meaningless blue text?
As I said, I had nothing else to ask, up to the point where I did. And if the blue text is meaningless, why your fixation with it and how I distribute it?
It's not meaningless to you.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you use FoSes to point out suspicious behavior without necessarily thinking the other player is scum, as part of asking questions and getting information. I generally think of FoSes as players you are seriously determining whether or not they are scum. So to FoS everybody in the game with one exception is extremely noteworthy, because that would mean there is one player in the game without qualification that you think is town. I was very interested to know why.
I will concede you this point on Jetsquirrel. It's reasonable enough, and I can not directly refute you anyway, and it's ultimately my choice whether or not to believe you. I'm about halfway in either direction.
You called him to post repeatedly over the course of the game. Why did you never follow up on it, even after he posted?
I asked him to post his scumpicks, and he did. They seemed reasoned to me, so I saw no need to reply. It's just you who has this fetish to have every word of his quoted and masticated to a pulp.
I will concede you this point on Jetsquirrel. It's reasonable enough, and I can not directly refute you anyway, and it's ultimately my choice whether or not to believe you. I'm about halfway in either direction.
Not even the rampant buddying?
I haven't seen any rampant buddying. He has agreed with my assessment of you, but that's not buddying -- that's agreement.
Jetsquirrel is a noob who can barely string together a coherent thought let alone scum hunt in any worthwhile and productive fashion. You should be worried
sick if a player like him is agreeing with you, especially in the hasty and rapid way that he did. If you can honestly tell me that you thought he thought it through, looked at all the evidence seriously, and then made a reasoned judgment to agree with you,
then you can say that it wasn't buddying. But do you really think he's capable of that?
Be honest. Don't say yes because he's agreeing with
you about
me. That's the speedy train to unproductive town.
Or were you and Eduren buddying here?:
JG and Eduren exchange.
Finding other's arguments persuasive is not buddying. Seeking agreement is the reason one presents arguments. But I am open to the possibility, thus my last question to him. You did see it, didn't you?
Blah blah fair point we're in agreement here blah blah let's move on.
The blatant and unconcealed OMGUS?
I haven't seen it. You say he OMGUS on you because he voted you when you voted him. But it's not OMGUS if it has reasons, and he presented reasons (akin to mine, sure, but I can't blame my argument for being good, or you being vote-worthy for being scummy).
This really boils back down to Jetsquirrel being mindnumbingly incompetent at this game. You honestly believe that Jetsquirrel's vote on me had more to do with your argument than it does him not knowing how to play the game? If it did why did he only vote me when I voted him? If he was convinced by it, wouldn't he have voted me during Day 1 when you presented it?
Nope. It was an OMGUS.
The parroting of everybody else? His malformed suspicions of me?
It is you who is parroting now. The first point is the same about his agreement with my assessment of your plan. The second you call malformed because you don't agree with them. As I originally said, your questions up to here boil down to "why are you ignoring him?", with a side of "he agrees with you!!!". Bah.
No, he really is parroting. It's not just you who he's taking opinions from, it's everybody in the game. Mr.Person, IronyOwl, Eduren, whoever, really. He hasn't had an original thought of his own since he began the game. Whether you think he's just agreeing with everybody in the game because he finds them reasonable, it highlights the central problem: he is not doing any scum hunting on his own.
And his suspicions really are malformed. You yourself admitted that aggression is not a scum tell. At most it's a null tell, but it's critical to Jetsquirrel's reasons for thinking I'm scum. You think something might be going on there? I think quite possibly there may be.
You're going to attribute all that to him being a noob? Noobtells my ass, you're being way too generous. For how meticulous you're being combing over all my posts this is utterly unacceptable. You're deliberately ignoring Jetsquirrel. Why would you do that? The implication is obviously that you two are scum buddies.
What you consider unacceptable or not is one thing about which I don't give a fuck. Overall, he has reeked of noobness, but I've now asked him three questions. I look forward to his responses, and will analyse them with interest when they come.
This is fine, but let me point out that he's avoiding the game. Compare his last post to when he was last online.
Do you think he's town even when you know he's deliberately lurking?
Why were you doing all that rolefishing at the beginning of Day 2?
Not rolefishing; colourfishing. And I only asked you, because of your day one play. Oh, and I asked Org, as he happened to come in and defend you in the middle of it. He claimed (as most would) "VT, forgot". Hardly a minefield, yes? Regardless of whether it was true or false.
I highlighted the dangers of it and you stopped, but why did you do it in the first place? Did you know the dangers of it when you posted? I'm thinking you did.
I replied to this earlier to Person. If you feel deeply offended I didn't reply to you with it, let me know and I'll retype it.
So, you didn't know how dangerous it was?
I'm not sure I really believe this, but your answers have been otherwise reasonable.
This is the first time I see you talk about it with less than absolute certainty. Could it be that you are having, at last, second thoughts about it? Or is it rather that, seeing it has outed you as scum, your best bet is to disown it soon before end of day comes?
I've already answered this to IronyOwl. If I thought this question served any game purpose and wasn't just to pump up your ego I would answer it again.
Nooo! You must answer directly to meeee! Your refusal to do so must mean you're scuuuum! Jim.
Bah.
Hypocrisy is not a scum tell. It just means I'm a jerk, which I am perfectly fine with being in a mafia game. Since it is a game.
I wouldn't be a jerk any other place.
...but now that I think of it, seeing it's probably lylo, what would people think about a mass call/colour claim? [...] I'm not actually proposing we do this, but it doesn't seem as crazy as I initially thought. Opinions?
Oh, hey cool. A bad plan. I should give you shit about it for the rest of the game. I think I will.
Leaving aside that I didn't actually proposed it, merely asked for opinions, feel free to ride my ass for it for the rest of the game if I a) insist on it regardless of evidence of disagreement or drawbacks; b) call people who agree with you that it's bad "buddying scum"; c) refuse to acknowledge hard data proving it doesn't work; d) completely ignore any evidence produced by it the next day.
If I do all that, then I'm probably scum, and people should hang me for it.
I should coin a new term. Refuge in Hypocrisy. The act of pointing out similarly flawed actions in an accuser to discredit his argument. Of course whether or not the accuser is a hypocrite has little bearing on the validity of his argument. Mr.Person has already pointed this out.
Even suggesting an awful plan can be scummy. It's a great way to test the waters to see if the town would get behind an awful plan to label it as an idea, a suggestion, and ask for opinion's on it. It also allows you to easily retreat from it if people shoot it down.
This, combined with your rolefishing/colourfishing highlights a very interesting problem: You seem more than healthily interested in finding out the town's power roles. This is scummy for several obvious reasons, the largest of which being that scum (possibly you) want to desperately know this information to end the game quickly especially given JTF's vague hints that the game can continue past lylo if the town sorcerer's survive.
If everybody claims you're just going to want to lynch the Red Sorcerer immediately, when he could very well be town. This plan benefits you a lot more as scum than it does the rest of the town because a) you're tunneling like a mad man on me and anything remotely associated with me is automatically scummy, allowing you the perfect excuse to go after a potentially town sorcerer, and b) you know who to kill in the night if you don't manage to lynch the town sorcerer.
My vote is not the only one that counts. And I'm not as inflexible as you... suggest. Surely if it turns out you or Org are the Red sorcerer, I'd vote the shit out of you, as I already think you're scum, but of the others I'm less sure, and would reevaluate their day play accordingly. But you miss two important elements:
a) I make the point that it could be workable if the sorcerer knows that enough support would help him survive a night kill. I don't know in detail what the powers are, but say that 3 supporters would give kill immunity... then if you claim, and seem townie enough (or the other scummy enough), you could get enough to be immune and out the scum.
b) If we get three people claiming to be PRs, or colour counterclaims, we get more data for scumhunting before the end of the day, as opposed to the rehashing we seem to be doing now.
But whatever. I will not press for this plan harder unless someone thinks it shows some promise. As I said, I don't actually propose it, I want opinions/reactions, and would like alternatives to be able to dig deeper before end of day.
Several big ifs there. The town sorcerer being immune to nightkills wouldn't be enough, there would have to be some other additional advantage like an inspect or something like that. What's the likelihood that a town sorcerer would get kill immunity and an inspect from being fully buffed up? I honestly don't know.
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