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Author Topic: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...  (Read 57066 times)

KaminaSquirtle

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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...
« Reply #570 on: November 15, 2010, 11:59:47 pm »

Also, KaminaSquirtle, I hope to face you in the next bastard anyone runs >:D
I look forward to it.

Well, I hope everyone learned a valuable lesson here.
Lynch all lurkers.
Don't let two survive to LYLO.
Not a good idea.  At all.

Oh, and I enjoyed the flavor, Toaster, especially the end of game stuff.
It feels so good to have your actions carried out in story form.
Burn, you fools, burn!
Hahahahahahahaha!
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...
« Reply #571 on: November 16, 2010, 12:20:36 am »

Vector:  I didn't see any way flavorwise for a block action to not be obvious to the blockee- especially if it was a cop instead of a doctor.  I was not planning to let anyone know they were protected.  It'll be something to think about for next game.

It was bad for town that the entire scumteam lurked through D1.  A couple people mentioned them, but they were lost in the flood of accusations.  It wasn't intentional lurking; Ragnarok ended up not liking Mafia and Spade just flaked.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...
« Reply #572 on: November 16, 2010, 12:30:55 am »

Vector:  I didn't see any way flavorwise for a block action to not be obvious to the blockee- especially if it was a cop instead of a doctor.  I was not planning to let anyone know they were protected.  It'll be something to think about for next game.

Hmmm... yeah, the cop one is something where you have to actually tell them they were blocked.  I think I'm thinking more about complex games with lots of PRs, not something like this where it really would have to be obvious.

For the doctor, though, if the doctor gets roleblocked, then they shouldn't know about it unless their protectee somehow dies.  Well... that's what I think, anyway.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...
« Reply #573 on: November 16, 2010, 01:30:19 am »

Well, I hope everyone learned a valuable lesson here.

Yeah inactivity and replacing players kills games.
I started loosing sight after the third replacement and just didn't care anymore.
Being NKed was a real relief.

Oh, and I enjoyed the flavor, Toaster, especially the end of game stuff.
It feels so good to have your actions carried out in story form.
Burn, you fools, burn!
Hahahahahahahaha!

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Nobody likes braggers.
Especially when it was such an easy victory.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...
« Reply #574 on: November 16, 2010, 01:54:47 am »

Yeah I mean two scum lurkers who were replaced kinda blows, I hope Bayer at least tried to keep Ragnarok and Spade in the game.

Still I enjoyed it and I will try to be more decisive next time I think I let Ragnarok obvious active lurking go too easy. Though uh town IC's shouldn't you guys be like evaluating and telling us what to do next time ect?
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Mindmaker

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« Reply #575 on: November 16, 2010, 02:17:02 am »

Though uh town IC's shouldn't you guys be like evaluating and telling us what to do next time ect?

I doubt their role was to play our game for us.
Evaluating our playstyle and giving constructive criticism, would be more in place.

Too bad Vector has been busy.
I had a lot of additional questions to ask.
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« Reply #576 on: November 16, 2010, 02:24:36 am »

Though uh town IC's shouldn't you guys be like evaluating and telling us what to do next time ect?

I'm going to be rude here, for a moment.  Please forgive me.

I'm glad to be your IC but uh Flintus10 shouldn't you be like asking that with a more polite turn of phrase or something ect?

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This was a pretty bad game, on everyone's part.  Yes, everyone's.  I'm actually kind of sad.  I was not impressed by anyone's gambits, reading skills, deception, insight, or passion.  Seriously.

I'm proud of you guys for sticking with it, though, as frustrating of a game as it was.  This counts double in the face of so many replacements and lurkers.  Sticking with it is the most important part, more important than any of the things I listed above.  Endurance is the most valuable quality in a beginner, I believe, and you did a wonderful job at it.

Extra credit to Mindmaker, who sent me PMs and asked me specific questions--I'm still sorry I never got around to that second one, because I was really glad to see you sending them.

I tried to give advice in-game, but it's kind of hard to deal with townies who don't actually listen.  I'm a person too, you know...


My advice is very simple: play more games.  Your problem right now is lack of experience with tells, and the only real way to learn those is through experience.  My other advice is to involve your ego less in the game.  If you keep letting yourselves get provoked so easily, you're going to be in real trouble.  Fight with logic, not insults.  There are times when it's appropriate to be rude, and in the cases where you don't know, it's better to be polite.

Other thing: you need to get better about asking questions and adding pressure.  In general, you didn't do these things.  You sort of argued amongst yourselves, but when you didn't know, you didn't ask the person you suspected.  You didn't say "why did you say this?" or "what do you think of what this other person did?" or "why haven't you done [x, y, and z]?"  You didn't apply pressure.  Mostly, you squabbled.

You gave into the scum's efforts to lead the town.  When you look back, you can see key phrases in KaminaSquirtle's dialogue that indicate that he was attempting to garner favor.  He was trying to get a consensus, and you gave it to him.

Don't let lurkers get away so easily, but don't pull a Zathras, either.  At the end of the day, it's better to ride a balance between being feared and being loved.

Don't be waffly.  If you think someone might be scum, vote him and question him until you're sure of his alignment.  This does not mean that you should be close-minded.  Don't just pick a target and tunnel forever.  That's called Toony Tunneling in this context, and it is very, very bad.  You must leave yourself somewhat open to others' opinions, but above all, exercise your judgment.


Oh, and KaminaSquirtle: tone down the attitude.  It may have won the game for you right now, but it will hold you back significantly very, very soon.  The other thing it will do is give you victories that no one will celebrate with you.


Too bad Vector has been busy.
I had a lot of additional questions to ask.

Ask away.  I can be here for a little while longer.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...
« Reply #577 on: November 16, 2010, 02:35:51 am »

Ask away.  I can be here for a little while longer.

Well I meant I had them back then, when I was in the game.
Most of them have been answered, as soon as the game ended.
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« Reply #578 on: November 16, 2010, 02:36:41 am »

Well I meant I had them back then, when I was in the game.
Most of them have been answered, as soon as the game ended.

Bah, humbug... I'm sorry about that, then, as it was completely my fault that they didn't get answered.  My apologies.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...
« Reply #579 on: November 16, 2010, 02:39:23 am »

Well I meant I had them back then, when I was in the game.
Most of them have been answered, as soon as the game ended.

Bah, humbug... I'm sorry about that, then, as it was completely my fault that they didn't get answered.  My apologies.

No worries.
I got the answers the hard way ;)

And I agree with you in this being a bad game, even though I don't know how others look like.
*shrug*
I did my best though (except at the beginning and shortly before I died).
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« Reply #580 on: November 16, 2010, 02:41:14 am »

I did my best though (except at the beginning and shortly before I died).

Good!  You really did improve throughout the course of the game, by the way.  I was quite pleased to see your style evolve =)
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« Reply #581 on: November 16, 2010, 02:50:02 am »

I did my best though (except at the beginning and shortly before I died).

Good!  You really did improve throughout the course of the game, by the way.  I was quite pleased to see your style evolve =)

Well I was tunelling at Azure though.
He was the only one I was convinced to be town, as the game ended for me.

I could have attacked Kaminas theory, which I thought to be complete BS, to be honest.
Guess I can't share the credit, for having endured this frustrating game, huh?
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« Reply #582 on: November 16, 2010, 02:56:02 am »

Post

Heh sorry guess it could have been more polite since you guys are doing us a favor.

And thank you that post gave me all that I wanted.
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« Reply #583 on: November 16, 2010, 04:01:54 am »

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Extra credit to Mindmaker, who sent me PMs and asked me specific questions--I'm still sorry I never got around to that second one, because I was really glad to see you sending them.

I had no idea you were taking questions, that would have been nice to know. -_- Are you open for questions any time or just for beginner's games?

As for the quality of the game, it seemed like it was too easy of a victory. Yes, I was terrified of being lynched at the end, but we were allowed to squirm out of it. I messed up a few times with my posts, leaving a tell here and there, but no one caught on because the focus was (thankfully) on someone else. I'm pretty sure Kamina and I both would have been torn apart by day 3, or maybe even day 2 in any other game than a beginner's.

But, overall a good game and a good learning experience.
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« Reply #584 on: November 16, 2010, 04:08:42 am »

I had no idea you were taking questions, that would have been nice to know. -_-

She was the town IC.
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