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[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

We can all agree it's a pretty thin excuse though.

Because the combination of: Two weapon fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting, and Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Gets the same result as what he is doing.

The only difference though is you need to be level 11 to get Greater Two weapon fighting.

So it's totally balanced if he just gets three free feats 10 levels before you're meant to be able to get them? Does the race have any other bonuses?

Naw he still gains essentially a 2 feat advantage... but it isn't an "overwhelming advantage" if the game starts at... say... level 10 or higher.

It isn't game breakingly good... especially when fighters have a lot more devastating combinations.

There are easier powerful combinations to make.

Example, please?
I'm serious, I've never ever played a tabletop RPG.

[BlackFlyme]

At the end of the two-weapon fighting chain, you would get three extra attacks. One from each feat in the chain.

He basically got them early. And they have a higher base attack bonus than a two-weapon fighter's offhand bonuses, as they are extra attacks based off of his first one, while two-weapon fighting attacks are based off of iterative attacks.

Iterative attacks occur naturally once you reach a certain bonus. +5 turns into +6/+1, with you being able to make an extra attack using the lower bonus. Every five bonuses thereafter adds another attack. depending on class, that could be a maximum of 20/15/10/5 without any two-weapon fighting feats.

Two weapon fighting imposes penalties dependent on weapon type. Light-classed weapons impose a lesser penalty for example. So at level one, with 1 base attack, a two weapon fighter would attack twice in a round at -1/-1, as there would be a -2 penalty.

The problem player has been allowed to get improved and greater multi-weapon fighting at the points where he would normally be able to get the two-weapon fighting versions. So a level 20 two-weapon fighter would be able to attack seven times in a round, with bonuses of +18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8/+3. Problem player at level 20 will attack like this: +18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+13/+13/+13/+8/+8/+8/+8/+3

A total of 13 times. Per round.

Edit: Also, here's what swarms can do, if anyone is interested in why a PC with swarm abilities is outright terrifying.

[Gunner-Chan]

I think when you get to this point, the "problem player" should likely just be told to fuck himself in the ass. Poi.


... Or if he wont someone obviously needs to do it for him.

[Bohandas]

Boh, what's your username on Steam?

"Bohandas" same as here (that's the publicly visible name at any rate)

I saw two of them, not sure which if either are you.

Two? Well there's another wtf.

Edit:
Don't know how you're searching. In google I only see my profile; the one whherein way too much Warlock, Fallout New Vegas, Postal, and Dungeons of Dredmor

[Yoink]

Mr. Problem Player certainly generates a lot of WTF.

My own WTF: Not sure if still drunk or just tired.

[Lord Shonus]

You're correct. I was reading it as "20-18 = 2, 2*2 = 4, 20-4 = 16". I'm a little sensitive to such things - you wouldn't believe some of the things players have tried to get past me.

Examples pl0x?
I'm still sad I couldn't even give your 3.5 game a try, shitty timezones. :v

Probably the most annoying example was a guy who tried to have a half-storm giant/half-cloud giant/half fire-giant (all homebrewed templates with no LA, although he claimed they were official) fighter with a +5 greatsword at level 1 - in a world where there's no such thing as giants to boot. He got banned for something before I got the chance to tell him he wasn't allowed in the game.

In dodgy rules interpretations, I had one player try to use Mirror Image and Daylight to instagib a 20th level vampire.

[Neonivek]

The problem player has been allowed to get improved and greater multi-weapon fighting at the points where he would normally be able to get the two-weapon fighting versions. So a level 20 two-weapon fighter would be able to attack seven times in a round, with bonuses of +18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8/+3. Problem player at level 20 will attack like this: +18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+13/+13/+13/+8/+8/+8/+8/+3

A total of 13 times. Per round.

Except you are doing it... well... wrong.

Pathfinder has no "Improved" and "Greater" multi-weapon fighting... for obvious reasons.

At level 20 he should have no additional attacks from multiweapon-fighting then he should from those three feats. There are no exceptions to this unless he has more then 4 usable arms.

[Descan]

Boh, what's your username on Steam?

"Bohandas" same as here (that's the publicly visible name at any rate)

I saw two of them, not sure which if either are you.

Two? Well there's another wtf.

Bohandas and Bohandas

Considering the latter hasn't been online for 500+ days...

[BlackFlyme]

As I mentioned, the DM ruled it in. Or isn't aware they don't exist.

I did try telling him, but he said they exist.

[Neonivek]

As I mentioned, the DM ruled it in. Or isn't aware they don't exist.

I did try telling him, but he said they exist.

He is possibly using a non paizo rulebook...

And well... Non-paizo stuff is notoriously unbalanced.

[BlackFlyme]

3rd Party is strictly not allowed.

If we don't have the book, we don't use it.

[Neonivek]

3rd Party is strictly not allowed.

If we don't have the book, we don't use it.

Well I can't think where that feat would possibly be... it isn't even listed in the SRD as a monster feat...

[BlackFlyme]

Either DM is misremembering and thinks it is real, or the problem player pulled shenanigans to get it in.

[Neonivek]

Either DM is misremembering and thinks it is real, or the problem player pulled shenanigans to get it in.

Just thank heaven he isn't a rogue... >_<

Or a Unleashed Rogue

[BlackFlyme]

Multi-classing cleric/rogue. No idea why. Probably up to something. Or it's for a prestige class.

I sure as hell hope he isn't unchained.

He's been multi-classing rogue a bit lately. Sneak attacking on magic attacks is bullshit. And shouldn't even work, aside from on rays.