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Author Topic: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O  (Read 14842768 times)

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53415 on: July 07, 2014, 06:26:44 am »

My opinion on the matter is as follows: stereotypical "true" AI is unlikely to occur at best. At the end of the day, people generally don't NEED an AI that thinks and acts like a human, after all for all the research costs and whatnot involved, you could just train and hire someone for far less money. What people need is an AI that performs it's purpose. Even if the purpose involves maintaining a verisimilitude of humanity, it does not necessarily need human-like thoughts or cognitive processes.
AI psychiatrists and friends seems like a very useful thing for AIs to act like humans for. Oil rig divers, submariners, astronauts; being isolated can drive humans crazy, having a humanlike aboard could keep them more or less sane enough.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53416 on: July 07, 2014, 06:45:19 am »

My opinion on the matter is as follows: stereotypical "true" AI is unlikely to occur at best. At the end of the day, people generally don't NEED an AI that thinks and acts like a human, after all for all the research costs and whatnot involved, you could just train and hire someone for far less money. What people need is an AI that performs it's purpose. Even if the purpose involves maintaining a verisimilitude of humanity, it does not necessarily need human-like thoughts or cognitive processes.
AI psychiatrists and friends seems like a very useful thing for AIs to act like humans for. Oil rig divers, submariners, astronauts; being isolated can drive humans crazy, having a humanlike aboard could keep them more or less sane enough.
But what about AIs going insane themselves? If they can act like humans, then they can go insane, too.

Also I think that AIs on current hardware (digital values/central processing unit) are impossible, or at least would compute very, very slow.
A switch to (analogue values/decentralized computing) would help.

The thing is, that insanity-from-isolation thing is a very... evolutionary quirk of brain setup. Essentially, the brain is unable to go to idle mode, so if there's nothing for it to process it starts making shit up just to avoid idling. This is not an issue for a computer.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53417 on: July 07, 2014, 09:25:06 am »

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Welp, that's some creepy shit.
As expected of the SCP Foundation.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53418 on: July 07, 2014, 09:29:56 am »

I...didn't find it creepy at all.
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« Reply #53419 on: July 07, 2014, 09:31:13 am »

I...didn't find it creepy at all.
Of course not. They never do.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53420 on: July 07, 2014, 09:40:40 am »

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« Reply #53421 on: July 07, 2014, 09:45:39 am »

Given I'm reading Stross's Neptune's Brood right now, which takes place in a post-humanity universe inhabited by the AIs we left behind, worth posting some of his perspective.
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Saturn's Children, the first book in this series, stared a sex-bot commissioned shortly before the extinction of humanity in such a method. They basically grew a mind in a rough analogue to human childhood, only grooming (deliberate term that) her to have the traits desired for her role in society. Once they have the fully grown mind they can copy it into as many bodies as they desire. The newer book features an accountant grown in the same way (only with far less sexual abuse of a childlike sentient intelligence) who has then forked off new instances who take decades of specialist training in similar roles.


There are people who have argued we could potentially grow sentient AIs using genetic algorithms, essentially letting them evolve over millions of rapid generations of thousands of prototype procedurally generated intelligences. This seems like it could work. It also raises the terrifying question of when an AI deserves or demands rights. At which points can you wipe the intermediate generations as redundant data and at which point does doing so become genocide?
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53422 on: July 07, 2014, 09:46:39 am »

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« Reply #53423 on: July 07, 2014, 10:04:28 am »

Frying eggs at/after midnight.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53424 on: July 07, 2014, 10:09:43 am »

That's one of my favorite SCPs. Not for creepy reasons, though. It's just really cool and an engrossing read.
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« Reply #53425 on: July 07, 2014, 10:17:58 am »

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53426 on: July 07, 2014, 10:27:53 am »

Read the proposals for SCP-001. It is surprisingly cool. One of them is fucking hilarious at the end.
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« Reply #53427 on: July 07, 2014, 10:32:01 am »

Read the proposals for SCP-001. It is surprisingly cool. One of them is fucking hilarious at the end.
Which one?
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53428 on: July 07, 2014, 11:10:38 am »

Yeah, but we don't really know what causes human consciousness to be so flexible as that. Maybe we just have a *really* big database of scripts. *

Hell, on an anecdotal note, I can think of a few people who aren't so flexible and act pretty much like a computer program that way, grinding to a halt if they meet new, unexpected information or circumstance. >_>

* Could be wrong. But I haven't heard anything about us knowing why.

Your mind is the integral of experience over time slapped on top of genetics. Your experience is far larger. Learning is a gigantic part of intelligence, especially learning past simple pavlovian responses. The common public idea of AI--chatbots--completely fail at learning in any meaningful way. That bullshit about Eugene Goostman passing the Turing Test was pretty clearly fake because Goostman is one of the least convincing chatbots around due exactly to the fact that it has absolutely no memory of the current conversation; you say the same thing twice, it'll say the same thing twice. This basically means that the people doing the test didn't even try to determine whether they were talking to a bot, just told to check some box or something (the guy who made the claim is a known crank peddler). Some chatbots are way better than that.

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« Reply #53429 on: July 07, 2014, 11:12:54 am »

When you mention chatbots, cleverbot comes to mind...
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