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[SirBayer]

See, this sounds more... townie. New, but townie. More like what I was looking for. Good work, gentlemen, you broke JetSquirrel, and it looks to me like he broke town.

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Well thank god for the extension, I meant to do this in my last post, jet-squirrel seems to me to be simply a broken townie now, and there's no point in taking him out when USEC doesn't even come on any more, and he is my runner-up scum.  Also if that is only a 4 hour extension....
extension

>:I

Kilikan, what is this? What on earth is this?

Extension.

I need more time, sorry people.

This is acceptable.

I shall wait.

[Akigagak]

Spoiler: Reply to Sir Bayer's post, on page 6 (Default page size) (click to show/hide)

Oh, huh. That's interesting.

You ARE suspicious of the easy, obvious target, but you can't be bothered to vote for him, because...? Because you're afraid of me.

Ahahaha.

Seriously?

You think I'm afraid of you, and that being so makes me not vote for other people? That argument makes no logical sense.

See later.

TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.

Aside from that, let's have a good game everyone, and I Day One Vote Spade. Because shovels are best.

This is a random vote. There's not much to say about it alone, but...

TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.

Did Aqizzar jump in near the end, or was he quicker on the draw than that?

Just as all seemed won, just as I could taste that sweet cool beer, he done shot me in the face.

(He was the last Mafia of three players, and I got Ein lynched.)

Nope, but I wasn't speaking for him, since I'm not him.

Nothing about Spades. Nothing about scumhunting. Nothing about anything.

You're right, no random spurts of aggression, charging for Spades based on my random vote which had little reason for existing. That's not the way I play.

So you don't scumhunt? Do I have to remind you people to check the scumhunting guide? That's my reference, and it sure as hell paints you as scum.

[/quote]

Maybe I hunt in a different way to you, looking for slip-ups rather than forcing someone to give me one. I think your style is more appropriate for a more veteran-filled game, rather than a newby one like this, since here it can just get something that looks like a scum tell from people who just don't know better, which is followed by more pressure than the new player can handle.

FoS: Sir Bayer. You're being really overaggressive for a newbie game, treating any slip up, which really should be expected, as a massive scumtell. Not even as just a possible scum tell, but jumping on it and waving it the air as proof. I think you're being this aggressive to hide your own scuminess, but have overcompensated.

Also, Unvote Spade.

Also Also, don't edit, Jetsquirrel.

When you unvote Spades, you don't mention why. You don't question him. You don't chase him. You don't seem to feel the need.

Because this was me getting rid of the random, baseless vote.

THEN WHY PUT IT DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE? You're trying to look like you're RVSing, but you're NOT!

You don't even have the guts to vote me then. You don't have the guts to vote me now. Why is that?

Because Over-Aggressiveness =/= Scumminess. Though the amount you're doing this game seems over the top, even for you.

Really? That's not what you said later. Again, as before, see later.

Yes, I know that, USEC, stop badgering people to vote when they don't have a decent case yet.

You KNOW you don't have a case. Why do you think that's acceptable? You can always fall back on RVS, if you need to, it's early enough in the game. But you don't feel the need to. Why is that?

I said decent case. I'm not going to put one up when it's half-done and still has a few grey areas. By the time I did have a good one, everybody else had, between them, made all of the arguments I was going to.

What a crying shame. A half-baked case is better than none, because none tells me that this is an excuse. But again, see later - you didn't do it because you were afraid I would attack you.

Hey everybody, this is the scum.

Why? Feels the need to completely ignore everything I say.

Good heavens.

Hey everybody, this is the scum.

Why? Acts patronizingly to everyone, and as those his words are FACT.

Good heavens.

You might be one of the more experienced players here, but you're not a mafia god, and your acting as though you are is starting to piss me off.

You STILL don't have the guts to vote me. Only to insult me from a safe distance. Don't want to be too closely associated? Don't want to be seen as buddying, but don't want to be seen as passive?

No, just tired of your self-assertion over everyone.

Really now? Not what you said - yet again, move on to see the conclusion to this.

That seems to be your playstyle. Going through other games, you seem to hammer away at some random person, not listen to them, and just keeping shouting OMG YOU SUCK at them until they stop playing out of the futility of arguing with you, or are lynched. You can argue that any lynch is better than no lynch, but going blinkers on straight for the first person you pick out of a hat, ignoring any of their arguments, until either you or they are killed, rather defeats the point that we're supposed to be catching scum.

That's why I didn't vote for you, even though you piss me off, because that's not enough of a reason to seriously shout you out as scum. Well, unless you're being so aggressive to shift attention away from you, or to make it look like you're doing some quality scum-hunting.


The person who really acts scum to me is USEC, with his insane ramblings and shouting of 'SHOOT ME' like some 80s action hero who's been cloned. But, of course, since every possible argument against him has already been used by others, and he hasn't responded adequately to any of them. And if I vote for him now, you'll shout 'bandwagon' at me.

And of course, here, you're so worried about appearances. "What does Bayer think of me? I won't vote anybody because I'm afraid of what Bayer thinks of me!" Well then, scumbucket, you know what I think of you - you're scum.

Again, your logic makes no sense here. Why would being afraid of your opinion, which I give jack about, stop me voting for other people?

The bold is right there. You can't erase a scumslip. You were worried that I would come after you. The only reason to be worried enough about another person's opinion to not vote or to change your behavior is if you're scum. Thus, you're scum. You said it yourself - not in the same words, but you were afraid of being attacked. Not necessarily by me, but you just didn't want the attention that putting your vote down would bring.[/quote]

Well, yeah. I am new to this, not that that's much of an excuse, and this has been the first time I've been subject to a sustained barrage of attacks in a game. I overacted, which again isn't really an excuse, but it is what happened.

So here are the basic questions: Why are you so afraid of what I think of you? Why are you letting that affect your playstyle? Why do you feel the need to choose me as a target to fight, instead of hunting after who you yourself said you think is scum? Why do you think that's acceptable at all?

1: I'm not. Really, get over yourself.
2: See answer 1.
3: Because, originally, I was tired of your attitude. But yes, your arguments have told me something.
4: What makes being cautious so unacceptable to you? Yes, I don't want to get lynched, nobody does. But being randomly over-aggressive doesn't help anyone.

1. See the above. You're being ridiculously scummy.
2. Blah blah blah same story
3. You're "tired of my attitude"? Cry me a river of tears, this is Mafia.
4. Cautiousness is a scumtell, you fool! Cautiousness is the HALLMARK of scum. What better way to avoid attention? You don't want to be associated with the lynch at the end of the day, do you? Well then, best not be there when the lynch comes.

What better way not to be there then to never have voted at all?

You want a vote, with a reason?

Sir Bayer. For being so over the top aggressive in a newby game, trying to shift attention onto whatever person you choose, trying to make it seem as though you're being a pro-active townie when really you're just trying to scare the newbies into either inactivity or voting with you, so you and your scummy pall can pull an easy win.

So you choose to end this argument with an OMGUS vote, of all things? "Your arguments tell me enough!"

You know what tells me enough? Your reaction. You ARE afraid of being lynched. You said that, too. "I don't want to get lynched, nobody does." That doesn't matter to a town player. A town player is more valuable in death. You know that. This isn't your first game of Mafia. You're just scum.[/quote]

No, you're right here. It's actually my third, unless you count one that happened two-three years ago*. In which case it's my forth.

Noobieness isn't really an excuse, though it is a factor, for my over-cautious way of playing, which I guess is something to work on. Most of the reason is, as you pointed out, fear that if the person I vote for isn't scum, then attention will turn to me and I'll get lynched. Which, thinking about it, is stupid and pretty bloody scummy.

I dunno, I don't really have a defense beyond "I'm a nooby town, don't kill me."
Which is a problem. Shame I missed so much of day one, I don't have much time for scum-hunting now.


*Actually, now that I remember that game, I just realized I made the same fuck-ups there as here, and that it go me night-killed. : /
The other game was the Christmas Mafia here, which I remember little beyond me being on team Scum and losing.

Anyway, back to pages 7-9... Will post more soon, hopefully.

[Akigagak]

Whaay and I screw up the formatting. Give me a second.

[Akigagak]

Formatting fixed. All that I changed were the Quote tags. Apologies.

Spoiler: Reply to Sir Bayer's post, on page 6 (Default page size) (click to show/hide)

Oh, huh. That's interesting.

You ARE suspicious of the easy, obvious target, but you can't be bothered to vote for him, because...? Because you're afraid of me.

Ahahaha.

Seriously?

You think I'm afraid of you, and that being so makes me not vote for other people? That argument makes no logical sense.

See later.

TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.

Aside from that, let's have a good game everyone, and I Day One Vote Spade. Because shovels are best.

This is a random vote. There's not much to say about it alone, but...

TBM: He got himself shot to death by me and Aqizzar. Then Aqizzar shot me and rode into the sunset.

Did Aqizzar jump in near the end, or was he quicker on the draw than that?

Just as all seemed won, just as I could taste that sweet cool beer, he done shot me in the face.

(He was the last Mafia of three players, and I got Ein lynched.)

Nope, but I wasn't speaking for him, since I'm not him.

Nothing about Spades. Nothing about scumhunting. Nothing about anything.

You're right, no random spurts of aggression, charging for Spades based on my random vote which had little reason for existing. That's not the way I play.

So you don't scumhunt? Do I have to remind you people to check the scumhunting guide? That's my reference, and it sure as hell paints you as scum.

Maybe I hunt in a different way to you, looking for slip-ups rather than forcing someone to give me one. I think your style is more appropriate for a more veteran-filled game, rather than a newby one like this, since here it can just get something that looks like a scum tell from people who just don't know better, which is followed by more pressure than the new player can handle.

FoS: Sir Bayer. You're being really overaggressive for a newbie game, treating any slip up, which really should be expected, as a massive scumtell. Not even as just a possible scum tell, but jumping on it and waving it the air as proof. I think you're being this aggressive to hide your own scuminess, but have overcompensated.

Also, Unvote Spade.

Also Also, don't edit, Jetsquirrel.

When you unvote Spades, you don't mention why. You don't question him. You don't chase him. You don't seem to feel the need.

Because this was me getting rid of the random, baseless vote.

THEN WHY PUT IT DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE? You're trying to look like you're RVSing, but you're NOT!

You don't even have the guts to vote me then. You don't have the guts to vote me now. Why is that?

Because Over-Aggressiveness =/= Scumminess. Though the amount you're doing this game seems over the top, even for you.

Really? That's not what you said later. Again, as before, see later.

Yes, I know that, USEC, stop badgering people to vote when they don't have a decent case yet.

You KNOW you don't have a case. Why do you think that's acceptable? You can always fall back on RVS, if you need to, it's early enough in the game. But you don't feel the need to. Why is that?

I said decent case. I'm not going to put one up when it's half-done and still has a few grey areas. By the time I did have a good one, everybody else had, between them, made all of the arguments I was going to.

What a crying shame. A half-baked case is better than none, because none tells me that this is an excuse. But again, see later - you didn't do it because you were afraid I would attack you.

Hey everybody, this is the scum.

Why? Feels the need to completely ignore everything I say.

Good heavens.

Hey everybody, this is the scum.

Why? Acts patronizingly to everyone, and as those his words are FACT.

Good heavens.

You might be one of the more experienced players here, but you're not a mafia god, and your acting as though you are is starting to piss me off.

You STILL don't have the guts to vote me. Only to insult me from a safe distance. Don't want to be too closely associated? Don't want to be seen as buddying, but don't want to be seen as passive?

No, just tired of your self-assertion over everyone.

Really now? Not what you said - yet again, move on to see the conclusion to this.

That seems to be your playstyle. Going through other games, you seem to hammer away at some random person, not listen to them, and just keeping shouting OMG YOU SUCK at them until they stop playing out of the futility of arguing with you, or are lynched. You can argue that any lynch is better than no lynch, but going blinkers on straight for the first person you pick out of a hat, ignoring any of their arguments, until either you or they are killed, rather defeats the point that we're supposed to be catching scum.

That's why I didn't vote for you, even though you piss me off, because that's not enough of a reason to seriously shout you out as scum. Well, unless you're being so aggressive to shift attention away from you, or to make it look like you're doing some quality scum-hunting.


The person who really acts scum to me is USEC, with his insane ramblings and shouting of 'SHOOT ME' like some 80s action hero who's been cloned. But, of course, since every possible argument against him has already been used by others, and he hasn't responded adequately to any of them. And if I vote for him now, you'll shout 'bandwagon' at me.

And of course, here, you're so worried about appearances. "What does Bayer think of me? I won't vote anybody because I'm afraid of what Bayer thinks of me!" Well then, scumbucket, you know what I think of you - you're scum.

Again, your logic makes no sense here. Why would being afraid of your opinion, which I give jack about, stop me voting for other people?

The bold is right there. You can't erase a scumslip. You were worried that I would come after you. The only reason to be worried enough about another person's opinion to not vote or to change your behavior is if you're scum. Thus, you're scum. You said it yourself - not in the same words, but you were afraid of being attacked. Not necessarily by me, but you just didn't want the attention that putting your vote down would bring.

Well, yeah. I am new to this, not that that's much of an excuse, and this has been the first time I've been subject to a sustained barrage of attacks in a game. I overacted, which again isn't really an excuse, but it is what happened.

So here are the basic questions: Why are you so afraid of what I think of you? Why are you letting that affect your playstyle? Why do you feel the need to choose me as a target to fight, instead of hunting after who you yourself said you think is scum? Why do you think that's acceptable at all?

1: I'm not. Really, get over yourself.
2: See answer 1.
3: Because, originally, I was tired of your attitude. But yes, your arguments have told me something.
4: What makes being cautious so unacceptable to you? Yes, I don't want to get lynched, nobody does. But being randomly over-aggressive doesn't help anyone.

1. See the above. You're being ridiculously scummy.
2. Blah blah blah same story
3. You're "tired of my attitude"? Cry me a river of tears, this is Mafia.
4. Cautiousness is a scumtell, you fool! Cautiousness is the HALLMARK of scum. What better way to avoid attention? You don't want to be associated with the lynch at the end of the day, do you? Well then, best not be there when the lynch comes.

What better way not to be there then to never have voted at all?

You want a vote, with a reason?

Sir Bayer. For being so over the top aggressive in a newby game, trying to shift attention onto whatever person you choose, trying to make it seem as though you're being a pro-active townie when really you're just trying to scare the newbies into either inactivity or voting with you, so you and your scummy pall can pull an easy win.

So you choose to end this argument with an OMGUS vote, of all things? "Your arguments tell me enough!"

You know what tells me enough? Your reaction. You ARE afraid of being lynched. You said that, too. "I don't want to get lynched, nobody does." That doesn't matter to a town player. A town player is more valuable in death. You know that. This isn't your first game of Mafia. You're just scum.

No, you're right here. It's actually my third, unless you count one that happened two-three years ago*. In which case it's my forth.

Noobieness isn't really an excuse, though it is a factor, for my over-cautious way of playing, which I guess is something to work on. Most of the reason is, as you pointed out, fear that if the person I vote for isn't scum, then attention will turn to me and I'll get lynched. Which, thinking about it, is stupid and pretty bloody scummy.

I dunno, I don't really have a defense beyond "I'm a nooby town, don't kill me."
Which is a problem. Shame I missed so much of day one, I don't have much time for scum-hunting now.


*Actually, now that I remember that game, I just realized I made the same fuck-ups there as here, and that it go me night-killed. : /
The other game was the Christmas Mafia here, which I remember little beyond me being on team Scum and losing.

[Tack]

Webadict, your point is something. Call it a 48 hour extension, not including weekends, off the 24hr forum clock.

Which means the day would end at 10:00 Aussie Tuesday.

[Scatterbrain]

replacing in; though i really don't know how active i'll manage to be. but you need a replacement, i guess :p

[SirBayer]

Hmm.

And see, this was also the end objective, since it looks like Akigagak has also broken town.

That was all I was looking for, Aki; my apologies for smashing on you. It's just the way I do things.

Unvote Akigagak - I'll get back to hammerman-ing when I have summore time.

And motivation. D:

[kilakan]

Kilikan, what is this? What on earth is this?

That would be me at 4:00AM misinterpreting what you said, do you mean that you now believe he is town, or that he is scum?  Either way, are we replacing USEC too, due to him being gone for a number of days?  I am rather annoyed by this, my internet cuts out for two days and there's only 4 new posts, come on people talk a bit.  Un-vote USEC until some more people talk and whether or not we replace him too.

[Tack]

Also, Jetsquirrel, it's well-justified for someone to mod-kill for editing, at least in a game with more experienced players.
It says on the first post that quoting a PM or editing your posts are completely taboo, both for very easy to identify reasons.
Remember, in a game where you're encouraged to lie to each other (if you're scum), you can't say you had 'too much blank space'.

[Jetsquirrel]

Also, Jetsquirrel, it's well-justified for someone to mod-kill for editing, at least in a game with more experienced players.
It says on the first post that quoting a PM or editing your posts are completely taboo, both for very easy to identify reasons.
Remember, in a game where you're encouraged to lie to each other (if you're scum), you can't say you had 'too much blank space'.

oh,... didn't know that!

[Scatterbrain]

so just found out that i'm actually a townie - managed a readthrough, will bring the words + serious stuff tomorrow. shoutout to BM14 guys (i c u thar zakko!). much love etc.

[kilakan]

ummmm who are you and why did you just tell us your role?

[Vector]

ummmm who are you and why did you just tell us your role?

He's the replacement.

[Jetsquirrel]

ummmm who are you and why did you just tell us your role?

but still you aren't supposed to tell your role

[Vector]

... He said what his alignment was.  Oooh, so scary.  You can choose to believe him or not, you know.