Yeah! Discussion! Good!
Jokerman, get in here too, scum!
Sir Bayer: You had a hand in lynching Vector D1 & Tack D2. Only the fact that you voted ToonyMan D4 makes me less than 100% sure you are scum, but I suspect it was at his request over scumchat, as the game was dying and he wanted out, and it would be a great screen for you. It would take a more cunning play than I've seen you do elsewhere, but the low activity and Toony's help may have masked it. You also defended ToonyMan quite vigorously: [1], [2], [3], at least. You are very likely scum.
Oh, Christ, did you really just use those arguments? Did you seriously just drop that much WIFOM? Is that your only argument?
And are you ignoring the fact that I did so to attack Vector? Her angle on him seemed mighty suspicious, which you seem to have conveniently skipped over.
Well, it clearly wasn't my only argument, as there are two arguments in that paragraph, and another one that you quote and respond further down, but let's take them one at a time.
a) You did defend Toony. This is
indisputable.
b) You did do it to attack Vector. Attacking the attacker of someone else is called "Chainsaw defence", and it's a
very condemning scumtell when the person you were defending turns out to be scum. See:
"a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum"; "trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum". You attacked a townie to defend a scum, scum!
That you did this is
indisputable, by your own admission. Whether that makes you scum for sure or not, is for the voters and your deathflip to decide.
c) About the WIFOM; no, it would be genuine WIFOM if I was voting you for it, but I recognise that it's pure speculation, and it's the main reason I'm
not (yet) voting you: If you hadn't voted for ToonyMan, the reasons above would be enough for me to declare you 100% scum and vote you outright. But you did hang him. So I present a possible speculation that could reconcile both hypotheses, but I'm not voting you for it nor forcing anyone else to take it. It ain't WIFOM if I don't force it "in front of you". It's speculation; take it or leave it.
But I must say, I hadn't noticed just
how much of that Toony defence was indeed a chainsaw defence of a scum. It looks more damning than I originally thought, and I'm more inclined to vote you now. I will, however, hear first what
Jokerman, my current target, has to say about my findings so far.
It's also the best time for the scum left, so close to victory, to be the most interested in starting it again, yes, Sir Bayer? I commend your attitude and readiness to resume, but now that I've reread, I can't help but feel there was an ulterior motive as well.
Is this your only other argument? That I want the game to keep rolling because I'm scum and I want to just finish it?
Why not just let the lurkers lurk and wait for the day to end without any lynch? Then I just automatically win! Hey, but no, let's assume Bayer's stupid, that's what everyone else does!
Chill man! But no, I'm not assuming you are stupid, and I do applaud your readiness to resume, as I said. I like enthusiasm in my Mafia games, and you bring a lot of chutzpah to the table. Unfortunately, that is also compatible, in this case, with a scum eagerly returning to a nearly won game hanging on the balance. The possible ulterior motive is right there, and it adds up to the previous points.
But I would have the same opinion of your scummitude if you had just barely dragged your ass in, as Joker did once but not again. Both are compatible with being scum, just one is more akin to eager scum, the other with lazy scum. The enthusiasm is not a scum tell in itself, it's rather a personality quirk that just happens to match very well the previously laid down hypothesis.
I picked Zai and Pandarsenic I think.
The most annoying thing about this is that he could 100% have been telling the truth and there's very little way to verify it.
What are you guys on? Didn't Zai die and flip town? WTF Sir Bayer & Org?
So Org does something stupid, and you immediately associate it with me, despite the fact I never said anything? Get your head on straight and don't let your presupposed scumteam cover your vision.
You never said anything? Didn't you say that there was no way to verify whether ToonyMan had chosen Zai and Pandar as scumbuddies? How about Zai flipping town, would that not be a way to verify it? You fail reading on
your own posts, dude.
Also,
Pandar: why do you suspect Org? Can you give some substance to your allegations?
[PPE]:
Eduren: When did Sir Bayer vote himself?