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[Toady One]

0000005: [Legends Mode -- Display] Underground regions have no names in Legends (Toady One) - resolved.

Might this mean the caverns have names now?

Nope -- the specific bug was the ugly " , "" " stuff you'd get, which is very buglike.  Now they are unnamed.  Since adding them, we'd intended the underground layers to be the first places you'd get to name yourself, but that hasn't happened yet.

[Lord Shonus]

Would this, by any chance, also affect things like "This is an engraving of the donkey and Urist McGeneric the dwarf. Urist McGeneric is striking down. This engraving relates to the slaying of " engravings that you get when an unnamed creature gets involved in combat? It's rare in vanilla, but I've seen it a good deal in mods that use the "no [can_speak]" methond of making this always hostile.

[Toady One]

Nope.  I'd need to see a save for that, and even that might not help.  Getting it to reliably reproduce is the best way.  If all that's already on the bug tracker it'll just take time to get there.

[Caldfir]

• made dwarves get crutches properly

Yay!  Crutches at last!

[Moddan]

Yeah, bringing crutches to work is good news. As it is now I find it depressing that my bed-ridden veterans slowly rot away in the hospital while they could train the next generation of meatshields or hang out in the drinking hall as honorary fortress guards.

[xtank5]

Any idea when we might see [PRINT_MODE:SHADER] for graphics?

EDIT: I'm supposed to pose questions to Toady in green right?

[NW_Kohaku]

Oh, wow, I forgot I asked that first question, I would have redacted it if I'd remembered it, since 31.19 obviously answered that question for me.

Anyway, thanks for answering questions again, Toady.  Some of those are very interesting and useful to think about...

They do eat them, but they aren't supposed to, in the end.  I remember adding the muscle tissue to worms and thinking "grazers are going to eat this..." and then just taking a note and moving on.  So it'll be handled sometime, maybe extending the specific food tags to classes or something, or waiting for actual diet rewrites.  Until then, gummy treats!

That implies that flesh material types will actually have nutritional values and animals will try to eat specific plant or animal material types.  That would go a long way in making dietary tokens much more dynamic and potentially wierd and fun. 

[yarr]

omg crutches will work
*tears of joy*

[Willfor]

omg crutches will work
*tears of joy*

My artistic rendering of your current state of overjoyedness.

All of these bug fixes are pretty awesome. .22 is likely going to be one of those very stable version everyone plays forever until the next stable version comes along.

[freeformschooler]

All of these bug fixes are pretty awesome. .22 is likely going to be one of those very stable version everyone plays forever until the next stable version comes along.

Especially because of towns suddenly being nice again.
I'm looking forward to these bugfixes even though I don't particular notice the bugs myself.

[NW_Kohaku]

I'm actually kind of amazed at how quickly the bug hunting is going... Toady spends one week working on some of these bugs from a year ago, and suddenly everything is sunshiney and works perfectly? 

I recognize that up to now, Toady has mainly focused upon the crash bugs, but I'd rather have some rare crash bugs with a game that fundamentally works than have a game where I don't even bother to have a hospital because of how debilitating the "minor" bugs are. 

It's hard to get excited about a "new feature" of hospitals when they never actually treat or heal anyone...

[Silophant]

Especially because of towns suddenly being nice again.

They won't be. The schedule, as I understand it,  lists content releases.  Following each of those is a release to fix new bugs from the previous release, then a release where old bugs are fixed. Hence, .22 will fix old hospital and stockpile bugs, .23 will have "Better town maps involving workshops/markets/shops based on world gen economic activities", .24 will fix bugs introduced in .23, .25 will fix more old bugs, and .26 will have "Villager/farmer schedules/activities and work with 3D mineral veins and mine maps".

[Zaerosz]

And .27 will likely fix bugs resulting from .26 and earlier.

[TolyK]

*stuff about spheres*

hmm that would be nice.

what exactly is the functionality of the dwarf-mode inn?

DF Talk 12 will have more on this.

Hmm eagerly awaiting.

Will we get working crutches in dwarf mode soon, either in this release or the next?  It's one of the biggest bugs yet to be squashed, and it seems particularly tragic that after you went to the work of implementing this cool and useful feature something continues to keep it from actually working.

I'm planning to handle medical bugs included crutch use problems in the next few days.

YAY~ Next few days! I'll probably refrain from playing non-LP fort.

With eyeball grass made out of eye tissue, and wormy grass made out of muscle tissue, how is it that cows and such are supposed to eat them? Assuming they actually can.

They do eat them, but they aren't supposed to, in the end.  I remember adding the muscle tissue to worms and thinking "grazers are going to eat this..." and then just taking a note and moving on.  So it'll be handled sometime, maybe extending the specific food tags to classes or something, or waiting for actual diet rewrites.  Until then, gummy treats!

Lol, this sounds cool.

will the town revamp starting with the next release finally give us elf/dwarf settlements with actual elves & dwarves?

Doing those prior to the dwarf mode army arc releases is the current plan, so that you have something to attack.  So in between the caravan releases and the army-related army arc releases.  If it comes up, it might happen sooner, if it's forced in some way by the trading, but that might not be how it works out.

Hmm is it possible to have at least placeholders for now (shallow caves for dwarves, circles of trees for hippies, etc.)? Or would it not make much sense to do that now?

Creepy.

*ghost towns*

sounds interesting, cool.

Do you see humans as the seafaring race? Will waterways and trade by ship play a central role to civilizations? Which races will participate in sailing and building ships? How large, in units of men and/or dwarfcube dimensions*, will the larger boats be in the future?

Footkerchief posted quite a bit on this one.  I just wanted to add that, yeah, some humans should be seafarers to different degrees -- probably all of the civs on the coast, but not the civs that have no settlements on the water.  The same goes for other races on the water or large rivers.  Dwarves and kobolds are sort of the odd ones out here.  I have trouble imagining seafaring dwarves, especially out on the open ocean, but there are large bodies of water underground and lakes up in the mountains, so it's hard to say what we'll end up with once all the mechanics are just sitting there waiting to be used.

Anxiously awaiting...

When you were editing the raws for all the new stuff, what did you add first, the chicken or the egg?

My recollection is that I did all of the domestic raws and then added all of the egg raws in afterward.

TOADY HATH SOLVED THE MYSTERIOUS QUESTION!

All in all: YAY!

@Last few posts: yeah I guess.

[Ves]

On the topic of healthcare, what's the plan for Animal Caretakers? Will they eventually Diagnose/Surgery/Set/Suture/Dress injured animals using just the Caretaker skill?