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Author Topic: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page  (Read 1611467 times)

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4020 on: March 14, 2011, 01:24:31 pm »

On the topic of healthcare, what's the plan for Animal Caretakers? Will they eventually Diagnose/Surgery/Set/Suture/Dress injured animals using just the Caretaker skill?

Seems likely, but you may want to green that question so we can get a timeline- I haven't heard one, and I'd like to know. Part of me hopes it'll come with mounts.

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4021 on: March 14, 2011, 01:26:38 pm »

On the topic of healthcare, what's the plan for Animal Caretakers? Will they eventually Diagnose/Surgery/Set/Suture/Dress injured animals using just the Caretaker skill?

I thought that it will use standard doctor skills
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4022 on: March 14, 2011, 01:31:07 pm »

On the topic of healthcare, what's the plan for Animal Caretakers? Will they eventually Diagnose/Surgery/Set/Suture/Dress injured animals using just the Caretaker skill?

I thought that it will use standard doctor skills

At that point, there won't be much use for a distinct "veterinarian" school of medicine. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason animal healthcare is in limbo is because Toady isn't sure which way to jump on the issue.

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4023 on: March 14, 2011, 01:32:00 pm »

When animals get revisited, are we going to be able to designate fodder spaces that get filled? Currently you can't just tie up a grazing animal somewhere and expect it to live long. Also, any plans for a way to designate how long chains can be?

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4024 on: March 14, 2011, 01:36:22 pm »

Quote from: Toady One
Quote from: freeformschooler
will the town revamp starting with the next release finally give us elf/dwarf settlements with actual elves & dwarves?

Doing those prior to the dwarf mode army arc releases is the current plan, so that you have something to attack.  So in between the caravan releases and the army-related army arc releases.  If it comes up, it might happen sooner, if it's forced in some way by the trading, but that might not be how it works out.
Hmm is it possible to have at least placeholders for now (shallow caves for dwarves, circles of trees for hippies, etc.)? Or would it not make much sense to do that now?

The game used to have placeholder mountain halls and forest retreats, at least up through 31.03 and maybe later.  I'm not sure why they were taken out, but a second set of placeholders probably isn't practical at this point.

On the topic of healthcare, what's the plan for Animal Caretakers? Will they eventually Diagnose/Surgery/Set/Suture/Dress injured animals using just the Caretaker skill?

This is from a year ago, but:
Quote from: Toady One
Quote from: Chthonic
Are dwarves with animal care enabled going to be able to splint wardogs' broken legs and so forth, and in general make veterinary care functional?

It's one of those things that is sitting on the put-off pile and I'm not sure what's going to happen.

Also, any plans for a way to designate how long chains can be?

The default chains were originally going to be longer, but it takes some technical infrastructure to have them drag across the floor properly, especially if you want the dragging to behave somewhat sensibly.  Ideally you'd be able to lay down lengths of thread to follow back out of a cave and so on, not that it's hard to get out when you have the whole map sitting right there, but maybe it'll become easier to get lost sometimes.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4025 on: March 14, 2011, 02:03:18 pm »

Thanks, Toady!

They won't be. The schedule, as I understand it,  lists content releases.  Following each of those is a release to fix new bugs from the previous release, then a release where old bugs are fixed. Hence, .22 will fix old hospital and stockpile bugs, .23 will have "Better town maps involving workshops/markets/shops based on world gen economic activities", .24 will fix bugs introduced in .23, .25 will fix more old bugs, and .26 will have "Villager/farmer schedules/activities and work with 3D mineral veins and mine maps".
That's not quite it, either, I believe - the 31.20/21 releases were not actually part of the new release schedule like 31.22 will be. So the releases should go, barring any emergency updates, 31.22 bugs (and possibly a few sponsored animals), 32.01 (remember Toady hopes to increment version number here) better town maps and a few sponsored animals, 32.02 bugs, 32.03 schedules, veins, and mines, 32.04 bugs, 32.05 Taverns, hirelings, manors... insert sponsored animals, their kin, potentially the mentioned animal men, and various supplemental new features as appropriate.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4026 on: March 14, 2011, 04:07:31 pm »

On the topic of healthcare, what's the plan for Animal Caretakers? Will they eventually Diagnose/Surgery/Set/Suture/Dress injured animals using just the Caretaker skill?

I thought that it will use standard doctor skills

At that point, there won't be much use for a distinct "veterinarian" school of medicine. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason animal healthcare is in limbo is because Toady isn't sure which way to jump on the issue.

Perhaps it should be merged into the 'Butcher' skill  ;D

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4027 on: March 14, 2011, 04:39:42 pm »

Butchery, Surgery, Animal Care, Swordsdwarf... its all cuttin dudes.

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« Reply #4028 on: March 14, 2011, 06:48:44 pm »

Maybe animals and humans should be treated identically by the healthcare system.

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4029 on: March 14, 2011, 10:28:00 pm »

I have a question, partially regarding the problems grazing animals have right now with starving to death so easily

How do Grazing, Hunger, and grass growth work alongside each other?

To be more specific, I can see that the GRAZER:X token allows X hunger to be removed for every unit of grass eaten.
What determines the rate at which hunger increases? Is creature size a factor?
Is a 'unit' of grass simply 1/4 the maximum amount that is growing on a space?

If creature size is a factor in determining rate of hunger, why is there such an enormous difference in how much hunger is removed?
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4030 on: March 15, 2011, 12:16:00 pm »

I have a question, partially regarding the problems grazing animals have right now with starving to death so easily

How do Grazing, Hunger, and grass growth work alongside each other?

To be more specific, I can see that the GRAZER:X token allows X hunger to be removed for every unit of grass eaten.
What determines the rate at which hunger increases? Is creature size a factor?
Is a 'unit' of grass simply 1/4 the maximum amount that is growing on a space?

If creature size is a factor in determining rate of hunger, why is there such an enormous difference in how much hunger is removed?


First, Limegreen, not Green.

Second, one unit of hunger is added every frame, regardless of creature speed.  The average creature gets 1 turn every 10 frames, and one of those turns has to be used moving, so any creature with Grazer:19 or less cannot feed itself. An elephant, which only removes 12 hunger per eating of grass, is on a countdown to starvation the instant that hunger is in place.  I'm told they generally starve within a season regardless of anything you try to do, short of butchering them immediately.

Third, creature size is only a factor in how Toady hand-coded the raws.  I'm assuming hunger coding involves simply iterating a hunger counter for every hunger-tracked creature every frame, and creature size will only have an impact on how much they need to eat at once.  You can manually recode Elephants to eat as little as rabbits if you so chose. 

Fourth, creature size is such an enormous difference because the creatures have such enormous differences in size.  Toady clearly simply started with 60,000,000 and divided by creature size to find the grazer value.  No other factors of creature metabolism or attributes or individual animal size difference compared to the average of the species or even the age category are as yet implemented (although Toady's recent response implies that is coming), so this is purely a function of size alone, and you're comparing a 5-metric-ton elephant to a .5-kilogram rabbit.  Hence, rabbits eat 1/10,000 as much food as an elephant.  (Only technically not, since a rabbit would starve before it got to 120,000 hunger, anyway.  This intermediate-stage hunger thing lacks sanity checking.)
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4031 on: March 15, 2011, 02:43:56 pm »

First, Limegreen, not Green.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4032 on: March 15, 2011, 04:34:15 pm »

Chartreuse green is best green.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4033 on: March 16, 2011, 12:22:11 am »

Chartreuse green makes me think of pea soup. .-.

How about teal instead? It's like the bastard cousin of the green family!
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #4034 on: March 16, 2011, 02:17:51 am »

The point's to stand out so he can easily find and read the question.

Edit: Plus he specifically asks for lime green.
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