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[Avis-Mergulus]

If you think Bauglir at any point was defending the parent or her actions then you simply haven't understood a single word he was saying.

And if you think Leo at any point said that Bauglir is doing the defending, then you haven't understood a single word he said. Have at thee.

 There's no one else discussing the topic with him. There's nothing else "going on here".

I believe it was meant in a conspiracy-theorish sort of sense - how society in general drops on people like a ton of bricks for coughing too loud, but everything kids do is somehow a-ok. But I'm [excuse]not a native English speaker[/excuse], so I might have understood something incorrectly.
Ah, screw this. I'll just be generally sorry and forget this whole discussion ever happened.

On an unrelated note,

This is a real thing. http://parentscountry.com/youngest-mother-britain-11-years-old/#

The girl started smoking at nine and started drinking cocktails at ten. Nowadays, she smokes 20 cigarettes a day, claiming this habit is not harming her baby.

Her mother is proud of her

A 12-year-old got drunk, had sex, got pregnant, and continues to smoke a drink huge amounts while pregnant. She claims against all evidence this will not harm her baby. Her mother is proud of her.

OH GOD THIS MAKES ME RAGE SO HARD WHY IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

[Bauglir]

Fucking elves! I'm having such a hard time coming up with a valid facet of human nature to assign to you, having already assigned creativity to dwarves. You assholes are always either Humans But Better, or an vague mishmash of Nature-Loving Arcane Superwizards, and neither of those actually conveys a damn thing about your fundamental perspective. For comparison, humans themselves got existence*, dwarves got creation, and orcs got competition.

While these are all very subtle, not-individually-binding trends, with barely any rules baggage to go with them, I still need them to be there or else there really is no point in having the bastards at all.

EDIT: I'm going with curiosity but that feels like a hell of a stretch.

Spoiler: * (click to show/hide)

The hyperactive survival instinct, drive to leave a legacy (proof that you existed), and desire to lead a life worth having lived, basically. I know it's weird to assign humans a fragment of human nature, but, well, I'm not satisfied with the current state of affairs where everyone else tends to be a monocultural stereotype while humans are specially privileged in this regard. It doesn't sit well with my drive for verisimilitude. I also know that it's not really What It Means To Be Human, since that's impossible to pin down, but I feel this is as close to uncontroversial as I'm going to get, particularly since cultures associated with the race have opinions on whether or not that core drive is a good thing or not (for instance, you could totally have a human-centric culture that believe ritual suicide in some situations is a triumph over the base instincts of mortal life, but that's because it acknowledges that base instinct before rejecting it).

[GiglameshDespair]

Persistance/ inertia?
The ideal of having everything continuing that way forever. That change is something to be feared.

[Neonivek]

Elves are hubris.

Because of their long lives, their natural great looks, and powerful magic they are an overly proud race who considers themselves superior.

Though if you want a positive trait... Go with Grace.

[Karkov]

Elves are hubris.

"We're graceful and old as shit."  Yeah, I can dig the hubris.

[Bauglir]

Much as I hate elves, it does have to be something that can be spun in a positive light as easily as negative. So I'll consider pride or tradition. Thank you!

[Frumple]

Could also grep your notes from Darksun and make them "survival". Then you've got an excuse for cannibal elves all up in!

Then again, you could do that for halflings instead and have cannibal halflings, which are always more amusing.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I like the Tolkienish view of Elves that the guy who wrote Balrogs and Bagginses used:

Elves are flighty and vain, willing to squander years on a fancy.

They're foolish, only gaining wisdom from excessive years of experience - which humans can do relatively faster because they don't suffer from the natural Elvish foolishness.

But they're graceful, smooth of movement and limb, but also suave and attractive. Superficially attractive, of course, much like a supermodel who knows how to look great and walk great but reveals that he's a dumbass as soon as he starts talking.

Naturally skilled with magic. Dwarves get this to a lesser extent and more toward creativity than temporary and fanciful magic of the Elves. Dwarves live shorter lives but are dedicated and toil which makes up for it. Elves start with more but do far less with it, compared to everyone else.

Among all these faults and damnation by faint praise, Elves are patient. Much like the Time Vulture, an Elf is less likely to act because he knows the perfect opportunity will come. A Human or Dwarf would build a boat or weir to catch fish in a river. An Elf would relax on the bank, dip his hook and line into the flow, and wait until a fish arrives.

This patience gives them the illusion of wisdom if they don't act too rashly. It's not that the Elf knows the right thing to do, he just waits until he's figured it out and/or the issue is moot.

NINJA EDIT: Cannibal everything! Nobody eats somebody who couldn't be their cousin!

[Helgoland]

How about savagery? Elves that possess great agility and strength as well as an intuitive grasp on magic, but act only as they see fit - ruthlessly, brutally, consequential. Gives them a Determinator/Unfettered spin.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I don't know if this will help you, but the really old lore surrounding Elves held that they were deeply foolish beings with a warped sense of fair play, the most common myth being that they would kidnap human children and replace them with elven children, who were horribly mentally and physically deformed (this being the explanation for genetic disorders).

[Xantalos]

How about savagery? Elves that possess great agility and strength as well as an intuitive grasp on magic, but act only as they see fit - ruthlessly, brutally, consequential. Gives them a Determinator/Unfettered spin.

Ah, Feanor...

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Is that a general reversal / leech thing? Like, if you're happy they become sad, and if you're hungry they're satiated?

[IronTomato]

The girl started smoking at nine and started drinking cocktails at ten. Nowadays, she smokes 20 cigarettes a day, claiming this habit is not harming her baby.

Her mother is proud of her

A 12-year-old got drunk, had sex, got pregnant, and continues to smoke a drink huge amounts while pregnant. She claims against all evidence this will not harm her baby. Her mother is proud of her.

Mother of God, is that her in the picture? She looks like she's 40 or something... but then again, that's no surprise, what with all the toxins she puts in herself.

One, WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH ARE THEY LETTING HER KEEP THAT BABY?

Two, why do social workers not do anything about the fact that her mother is letting a 12 year old drink and smoke and get pregnant all simultaneously?

I don't wanna live on Earth anymore.

[Frumple]

Don't think so, Iron. According to the article the kid's not born, yet.

[Vector]

One, WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH ARE THEY LETTING HER KEEP THAT BABY?

Because she still gets to control her reproductive system.


Also, I'm just gonna come out and say it: sex ed in middle school when average menarche comes at 9 is ridiculous.