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[Frumple]

... Crys? Apparently welsh for... a shirt?

Shirt into your arms. I'm not sure how this works, but... MZ, I think novel is trying to gift you clothing. No clue what this entails.

[Vector]

A GIRDLE

[Max White]

The ellipsis is cool, but we need to stop abusing it.

I... I don't know what to say..!

[Frumple]

A GIRDLE

... and now I have this incredibly strange mental image of a giant tying a bunch of people together and wearing them as a girdle. MZ would be the littlest giant of them all, so it'd only take like three novels to complete the... garment? Accessory? What do girdles get classified as, anyway?

Headache+sleepy+minor hunger=the mind wanders.

[Loud Whispers]

A GIRDLE

... and now I have this incredibly strange mental image of a giant tying a bunch of people together and wearing them as a girdle. MZ would be the littlest giant of them all, so it'd only take like three novels to complete the... garment? Accessory? What do girdles get classified as, anyway?

Probably a bodice, since it's the part above the waist without sleeves.

[Frumple]

But what category does a bodice fall under? Does it count as a garment or accessory? Like. Is it more a shirt or a belt? My exhausted aching brain requests a thoroughgoing textile taxonomy.

[SalmonGod]

As for the Cloud type of character, there's Chrono, Mario, Link, Snake, Samus, the hero of Dragon Quest (THE JRPG in Japan)... my understanding is that it was a truly bog-standard JRPG convention at the time.  The angsty blandness and so on, no, I'm pretty sure that that came from Cloud; but the "blank slate" idea was very common.

Ah, you're right about it being common in video games in general.  I was thinking only in terms of jrpgs, where it's actually less common.

I also wish that JRPGs in general had difficulty levels.  As-is it seems that most of the game is really easy, and then they have BONUS CHALLENGE MISSIONS that are hard to the point of being pointless.

And yeah... I never played jrpgs for the gameplay.  I played them for the creative settings, artwork, and epic stories.  Their style felt completely alien compared to any kind of story I'd known from any other culture or media, and it fascinated me.  Keep in mind that I got into final fantasy before I had internet or knew what anime was... like 1990...

I think growing up this sort of thing was what most appealed to me about the game, exploring the crazy and unexpected world.

It's one of the reasons I fell in love with japanese video games and anime in the first place.  They're so free spirited about crazy genre-mixing.  But the best part about it is there's usually something that draws it all together and makes it feel natural.  FF7 just didn't have that for me.

[Vector]

A bodice is a garment, as is a girdle, but a girdle is more like a belt than a shirt in terms of coverage.

[Frumple]

There we go!

Now to begin formulating proper husbandry patterns for creating fertile offspring.

I think the proper thing to crossbreed with a girdle would be a sock. Maybe a hat.

... nah. Hat can be, like, second generation. Or whatever. Girdle/sock, then Girk/hat. Or I guess Sodle/hat. Not sure which is a more amusing word.

Soon, the hybrid Girk swarms will infest and overrun the world of fashion! And maybe Oceania or something.

[Neonivek]

As for the Cloud type of character, there's Chrono, Mario, Link, Snake, Samus, the hero of Dragon Quest

You know... Cloud and a silent protagonist are not sort of the same thing. A lot of characters project a sort of personality at you even if they don't actually speak.

Also Snake talks a LOT!

[MaximumZero]

As for the Cloud type of character, there's Chrono, Mario, Link, Snake, Samus, the hero of Dragon Quest

You know... Cloud and a silent protagonist are not sort of the same thing. A lot of characters project a sort of personality at you even if they don't actually speak.

Also Snake talks a LOT!

UH-OH!!! THE TRUCK HAVE STARTED TO MOVE!

[Vector]

Not in his pre-Playstation games, he doesn't :I

I'm trying to say that there was a particular reason for Cloud to be written the way he was.  Say nothing of the other party members, but Cloud there was a reason for.  You can pick on semantics; all I'm trying to articulate is that he was a deconstruction of a certain idea, which was "the main character is there for you to project yourself onto."

[Loud Whispers]

As for the Cloud type of character, there's Chrono, Mario, Link, Snake, Samus, the hero of Dragon Quest

You know... Cloud and a silent protagonist are not sort of the same thing. A lot of characters project a sort of personality at you even if they don't actually speak.

Also Snake talks a LOT!

Yeah, I find it absolutely wonderful when demiurges manage to create silent characters with character. Charlie Chaplin is no projection oh nope.

[Neonivek]

Sort of...

Yet they always had this implied personality. If I were to draw a character who was a lot like Cloud it would be Yu from Persona 4 who was also supposed to be a "you".

Yet both Cloud and Yu have their own distinct personality (sort of... you could still make them very doofy... but there is an implied course)

Yet still the "Player Avatar" silent protagonist and a silent protagonist are not the same thing.

Yeah, I find it absolutely wonderful when demiurges manage to create silent characters with character. Charlie Chaplin is no projection oh nope.

Think of it this way. Other M takes Samus and somehow even though she has been almost a complete blank slate and has rarely spoken a single word... Is out of character.

There is a personality beyond speaking.

[Xantalos]

*clothes genetics*

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