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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 3747991 times)

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26580 on: August 09, 2013, 11:13:12 pm »

The one setting that actually made Mechs make sense was MechWarrior (or Robotec I believe was its name)
I'd argue Starsiege did significantly better on that front.
(Though hovertanks using confiscated alien antigravity technology and active-repair nanite responsive armor were the BEST)
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26581 on: August 09, 2013, 11:23:14 pm »

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As for the Cloud type of character, there's Chrono, Mario, Link, Snake, Samus, the hero of Dragon Quest


You know... Cloud and a silent protagonist are not sort of the same thing. A lot of characters project a sort of personality at you even if they don't actually speak.

Also Snake talks a LOT!
Not in his pre-Playstation games, he doesn't :I

Not to nit-pick, but I think Snake talked about as much in Metal Gear 2 for the MSX as he did in Metal Gear Solid for the Playstation (mostly just replies, to facilitate plot-dumping). And they had equally bonkers-crazy boss characters, who had equally serious dramatic scenes with one another.

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26582 on: August 09, 2013, 11:36:03 pm »

Fine fine, I mean Metal Gear.  And Snake has a line in that one, too... but there's a particular point I'm trying to make, which I'm sure everyone now understands and I shall never explain again.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26583 on: August 09, 2013, 11:38:32 pm »

All I wanted was to build giant mechanical nuclear-capable dinosaurs for peace and sustainability.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26584 on: August 10, 2013, 12:08:26 am »

I have to admit... I'm not really a fan of giant mechs...

Awww.

I like giant mechs that look like animals or monsters, but not so much giant mechs that look like people.
You say that as if you desire a weapon that can function as the great missing link in warfare; a metal gear to fill the gap between infantry and artillery.

Why yes!  Do you need some funding for this... Metal gear?!
How about a crossbreed Metal Gear/Armored Core?
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26585 on: August 10, 2013, 12:16:42 am »

You know what?  Why not.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26586 on: August 10, 2013, 12:22:10 am »

Damn it Sokolov I said I wanted legs on the thing. What am I going to do with a tank that has jet engines strapped to it.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26587 on: August 10, 2013, 12:33:13 am »

I'm late on this, but I actually loved FF12. I can't decide whether I liked it better than FF6, even. However, the gameplay is terrible and I readily admit this. I loved it in spite of that. As a game, it's rubbish. There are also too many padding sequences fucking up the flow of the narrative. The thing is, I love worldbuilding, and as a setting exploration, it's magnificent. Spoilers ahead, just in case.

My understanding is that FFXIII went too far in this direction, thrusting the player into an unrelatable world that very nearly requires a glossary to understand. I couldn't get into the game, myself. FFXII hit the sweet spot here, for me, because it had the depth but played with familiar tropes, its invented terminology was reasonably intuitive, and a lot of the really deep stuff was optional (nobody forces you to read the bestiary entries, for instance, and the game makes sense whether you do or not).

12 is also the only game since 6 that's achieved the feel of ambiguous protagonist, which is something I adore. Actually, in general, 12 has some of the best characterizations (and voice acting, for that matter) of any game I've played. I've never encountered a villain as sympathetic as Vayne before, a puppet master as inscrutable as Venat*, or a ham quite as perfect as Cid. I can't think of a twin story off-hand that I like better than Gabranth and Basch in any medium, but I admit I might just be forgetting or unfamiliar with something.

But, again. The gameplay is a miserable slog-fest. The game's only worth it if you have the time and inclination to put up with that. I wouldn't be able to play it, these days. It would've made a kickass TV series, enough so that I sometimes just watch the cutscenes. But, yeah, anyway, rant finished.

*Was Venat evil? I still don't know! I can't actually tell if it was trying to manipulate Vayne into conquering the world and then possessing him, or if it legitimately wanted to free humanity from the Occuria and did what it believed was necessary to make that happen.

Damn it Sokolov I said I wanted legs on the thing. What am I going to do with a tank that has jet engines strapped to it.
What AREN'T you going to do?
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26588 on: August 10, 2013, 12:36:50 am »

Man, if they'd just spent a little bit more time on characterization and support conversations... I loved Balthier and Fran, I thought that Basch was super-awesome, Penelo was cute, and I liked the limit break system as well, oddly enough.  And the emphasis on fighting megabeasts.

But the gameplay was SUCH a mess.  "Play an MMO without any of the MM or O advantages!"
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26589 on: August 10, 2013, 12:38:09 am »

God, that.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26590 on: August 10, 2013, 01:15:23 am »

Damn it Sokolov I said I wanted legs on the thing. What am I going to do with a tank that has jet engines strapped to it.
From what I heard the Russians used their jet engine tank as a snow blower... they built it to blow mines away in mine fields, didn't work out so well.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26591 on: August 10, 2013, 01:23:36 am »

Damn it Sokolov I said I wanted legs on the thing. What am I going to do with a tank that has jet engines strapped to it.
From what I heard the Russians used their jet engine tank as a snow blower... they built it to blow mines away in mine fields, didn't work out so well.
Nah, you're confusing it with the Canadian minefield remover that was turned into a snow blower because it just blew the mines around in a hurricane of lethal hilarity. The Russian one was operational by Soviet standards.

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26592 on: August 10, 2013, 01:30:25 am »

Damn it Sokolov I said I wanted legs on the thing. What am I going to do with a tank that has jet engines strapped to it.
From what I heard the Russians used their jet engine tank as a snow blower... they built it to blow mines away in mine fields, didn't work out so well.
Shagohod is definitely not a snow blower.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26593 on: August 10, 2013, 01:46:30 am »

I don't know man, nuclear warheads fired through a railgun can clear a lot of snow.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread: R.I.P Bambi Edition
« Reply #26594 on: August 10, 2013, 01:57:11 am »

The one setting that actually made Mechs make sense was MechWarrior (or Robotec I believe was its name)
I'd argue Starsiege did significantly better on that front.
(Though hovertanks using confiscated alien antigravity technology and active-repair nanite responsive armor were the BEST)

And when Starsiege actually USES Mechs instead of just battle suits

Unless those things were in fact huge (Mind you given the tons that Mechs weigh... Their size seems to be because they aren't too dense, though that makes sense given that it is a universe where micronization did not occur except when it does due to stupidity on the writer's fault)
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