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[Pandarsenic]

K, then lynch Solifuge I guess.

[Solifuge]

On the other hand, Exty could just kill Ottofar for WIFOM.  So again... that leaves us no better off :/.  In addition, in the "Solifuge is clear" scenario we lose a townie, something I'm not sure we can afford to do at this stage (4 kills in the night... one on a townie, two anti-town aimed... ugh).

I'm afraid I don't follow you. If the Dopples or Exterminator targets Ottofar because they're that devoted to causing a minor WIFOM, it still forces them to use up a Nightkill that would otherwise be used on a player who -IS- cleared. Also, in the "scenario where Solifuge is clear" and Ottofar complies, we lose an unconfirmed scummy and the WIFOM surrounding the yet-unconfirmed roleclaims... and unless you're privy to information we're not, Leafsnail, it wouldn't make him a guaranteed Townie either.

If you'd bothered to read anything I'd written, you'd see that he's most likely a Dopple Guardian, judging by the fact that he guarded another confirmed scum on N1, and "forgot to guard someone" on N2 (or was he saying that he forgot who he guarded?), which is a convenient lie to use if he's been guarding his remaining Dopple teammate, and wants to conceal their ID.

For all your claims of me "active lurking", you're defending the far greater lack of activity on Ottofar's behalf, and giving him the Org Pass. Why are you defending him, pardoning huge scumtells, and then trying to lead a lynch on someone who you don't even think is a Doppleganger? Serious WTF there, Leafy.

[Leafsnail]

I'm afraid I don't follow you. If the Dopples or Exterminator targets Ottofar because they're that devoted to causing a minor WIFOM, it still forces them to use up a Nightkill that would otherwise be used on a player who -IS- cleared. Also, in the "scenario where Solifuge is clear" and Ottofar complies, we lose an unconfirmed scummy and the WIFOM surrounding the yet-unconfirmed roleclaims... and unless you're privy to information we're not, Leafsnail, it wouldn't make him a guaranteed Townie either.

If he complies and dies, then yes, he'd be a townie.  A doppelganger wouldn't agree to commit suicide... they'd prefer to be lynched.

If you'd bothered to read anything I'd written, you'd see that he's most likely a Dopple Guardian, judging by the fact that he guarded another confirmed scum on N1, and "forgot to guard someone" on N2 (or was he saying that he forgot who he guarded?), which is a convenient lie to use if he's been guarding his remaining Dopple teammate, and wants to conceal their ID.

Which is very likely to be true.  On the other hand, it'd be safer to deal with him tonight, for reasons I'll explain below.

For all your claims of me "active lurking", you're defending the far greater lack of activity on Ottofar's behalf, and giving him the Org Pass. Why are you defending him, pardoning huge scumtells, and then trying to lead a lynch on someone who you don't even think is a Doppleganger? Serious WTF there, Leafy.

It's because I think you're the exterminator.  Indeed, you haven't denied any of the claims I've made against you; you've just tried to deflect them onto Ottofar and form a vague plan that avoids you getting lynched.  Heck, you've barely even denied that you are scum.  Why does the exterminator need to die?  Basically, removing him removes an anti-town killsource, and he can potentially evade almost all of the PRs we have.

For instance, he could have a holoform modulator (evades the agent and detective) a personal shield (evades the vig) or an advanced mind shield (evades the psychic warden).  If we eliminate the exterminator today, I think we can quite easily mow down both dopps in the night (I still strongly feel webadict is town, and he can stop a dopp... and we have a vig, who can perform an extra kill... and I can clear/ condemn someone).

[webadict]

Leafsnail: I also think Solifuge is the Exterminator and that Ottofar is a Dopp. We can have Jokerman kill Pandarsenic (Who I believe is the last Dopp, since Org coming up no role, he assumed Vanilla Townie and not anything Dopp related) or Ottofar and I can block the other probably kill Ottofar, since if Ottofar is Town, he'll still protect Jokerman and you scan whoever and hope to God we killed and blocked correctly. Janus can watch you though, but I don't really care what you choose.

[Pandarsenic]

Leafsnail: I also think Solifuge is the Exterminator and that Ottofar is a Dopp. We can have Jokerman kill Pandarsenic (Who I believe is the last Dopp, since Org coming up no role, he assumed Vanilla Townie and not anything Dopp related) or Ottofar and I can block the other probably kill Ottofar, since if Ottofar is Town, he'll still protect Jokerman and you scan whoever and hope to God we killed and blocked correctly. Janus can watch you though, but I don't really care what you choose.

Uh, in case you didn't notice, I hadn't assumed Org was vanilla TOWNIE until he was, y'know, dead. I can check any non-volatile claims (like the Surveillance Mad Scientist) if you don't block me.

[webadict]

... My bad. I'm using my phone, which doesn't tell when you said things. Fair enough. Who had the surveillance again and who am I missing?

[Pandarsenic]

That's Lonewolf's claim.

List stolen from Leafmobile and edited to be more informative. Confirmation refers only to role, not alignment

Jokerman-EXE: Vigilante - n1 Jim Groovester, n2 Leafsnail [blocked]. confirmed. cannot be exterminator. almost certainly human if Leafsnail is.
Leafsnail: Agent - n1 Toaster (human), n2 Jokerman-EXE (human). unconfirmed
webadict: Psychic Warden - n1 Jim Groovester, n2 Jokerman-EXE. confirmed
Solifuge: Military Scientist with Sentry Guns. Unactivated. unconfirmed
Lonewolf I: Intelligence Scientist Kook with Surveillance System. Unactivated. unconfirmed
Pandarsenic: Detective Kook. n1 Org (no role), n2 wubadict (psychic warden, confirmation). semi-confirmed, totally so if JanusTwoFace's PM was sent to Wubadict before Pandaface's claim. see below. cannot be exterminator
Ottofar: Vengeful Guard. n1 ToonyMan, n2 none'd unconfirmed, !none is highly suspicious
JanusTwoFace: Journalist. n1 Org 0(none'd), n2 Pandarsenic (-> webadict). semi-confirmed, but if Wubadict got his PM before my claim and they aren't the scumteam, he is roleconfirmed and cannot be the exterminator. see below

Major possibilities in my mind:
Ottofar is the last Doppelganger, and he said he none'd last night because he didn't realize that saying he protected someone and totally didn't do the Doppkill would be a better option than claiming he protected someone who didn't die and totally didn't do the Doppkill. This leaves Solifuge, Lonewolf I (unlikely), and Leafsnail (unlikely) as the candidates for Exterminator and any potential Operative.
Lonewolf I is the last Dopp, trying to screen himself against the inspection, leaving one of Soli and Leafy (unlikely) as the Exty.
Soli is the last Dopp, trying to deter Leaf's inspection with his claim, leaving Lonewolf I (unlikely) and Leafy (... also unlikely....) as the exty. This is the least likely of those three scenarios.

Noteworthy Impossibilities:
Leafsnail as a Doppelganger Partner to anyone - one Dopp still standing
Janus-Wuba scumteam lying about the PM - to do this they would have to be Exterminator and Operative, which I confirmed cannot be the case because Wuba is a Psychic Warden.

Something I just had second thoughts about:
Org having been Adv. Doppelganger - though he did flip human townie, I scanned him that night and I'm pretty sure that I would've seen SOME role. Er. Would I? Mephansteras, if a Detective scans an Advanced Doppelganger what result do they see?

A final note I just realized and am not editing the above parts over:
Because there's one Dopp left and a Doppkill last night (the smear-of-blood-remaining thing with Org) that means anyone whom we confirmed not to be the Exterminator, we also confirmed to not be a Doppelganger.
This means we've just made confirmed townies of Jokerman, me, Wubadict, and Janus, because all of us could not have performed either kill, correct?

[webadict]

There are two Dopps left, though. Or did I miss something?

[Pandarsenic]

Shit, you're right.

Four pods. I thought there were three. My baaaaad.

Exterminator is still confined to those three, though, and I remain pretty confident that Ottofar is a Dopp and Soli is an exty (and therefore mindshield'd)

[Solifuge]

Webby, you are damned forgetful this game. It's uncharacteristic of you.

Anyway, I never denied that I was the Alien Exterminator, because in fact am. I was trying to be reasonable, and save my trump card for tomorrow, but I suppose this makes it more interesting.

For my actual roleclaim, as I said, I'm an Exterminator, and my techs are a Deadman Bomb, and a Double-Use Scanner that can be used alongside my regular nightkill. I used the first one on Nuke9.13, the night he and I targetted the same Paranoid Veteran, allowing me to follow up with a kill. The flavor text for that night was amazing, and I'd highly suggest you read it once this is over.

Anyway, I have 1 Full-Scan remaining, as well as my regular nightkill, and if anyone nightkills me, they get autokilled too. Alternatively, if I'm lynched, I take out the last person to vote for me, plus a random player. 2 townie deaths plus my lynch would mean the town loses. In this instance, you can't lynch me.

And so, townspeople, I approach you with this offer. We both need Dopples dead, and you know I'm alligned against them. I'm also protected well enough that I take one of them down with me if I die. Accept an offer of truce, and we can do our best to plot against one another by ourselves... I'm sure you can think of a creative way around this dilemma.

[Pandarsenic]

LOLEDIT

MODKILL TIEMS

[Jokerman-EXE]

If you're confirmed Exty, why can't WUBA just block you and let me Vig whomever we wanted me to Vig? It slows us down a bit, but ultimately we can still win without killing you or letting you kill. I think.

[Solifuge]

Spoiler: For Pandar/Mephansteras (click to show/hide)

For a self-proclaimed manipulative bastard, I have scruples about sportsmanship and cheating. I wouldn't change anything I'd written, and edited formatting and grammar mistakes that I didn't see until rereading the posts.

If you're concerned, you can look at "Last Posts of Solifuge" in my pofile, as it displays the original, unedited versions of your posts (did you know that? Now you know).

Anyway Pandar, I invite you to come up with a creative way to arrange my demise. I'm not going to help you there though.

But seriously guys, lets get Ottofer already. You guys can go plot via PM or whatever. If you'd like, I've even got a Scan I'm willing to help root out the last dopple with. I'm pretty sure I've got my mark too.

[Pandarsenic]

I say we pick out the two doppelgangers and make Ottofar hammer Solifuge, then since either the vig or the Warden MUST still be alive after that, they deal with our last Dopp as appropriate.

[Pandarsenic]

Also, that's assuming Soli isn't pulling a gambit since we all knew he was Exty.

Spoiler: re the edit (click to show/hide)

I was joking, thus the allcaps and silly phrasing.