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[KillerClowns]

Aw crud. I was hoping to seal the pits with a floor, but if you have to leave the lowest z-level completely open then that's as much ground space for demons to roam as a sealing the hell from top would...

Still leaves two questions, though.  Do demons spawn from glowing pits?  The initial horde just sort of appears, but thereafter, they may just wander in from edges.  Haven't watched them closely enough.  If they do pit spawn, do demons spawn in the first or seond Z-level of pits?  If the latter, you're good to go.
Try sealing pits first, if anything shows up underneath your sealing, you know the demonic dominion over your FPS is unbreakable.

[dood_]

As an adventurer, with an adamantine battle axe, sword ( no real reason, just like swords) and shield, legendary skills in using them, and multiple times over legendary wrestler, dodger and fighter, I went back to one of my old forts, just to jump into hell. Although the fall broke both my legs and I got heavy bruising all over, I survived. The heavy bleeding soon stopped, and the pain soon after. Mind, my movement speed went from 1905 to 1010 due to broken toes (Probably). After killing the initial steam demons, serpent demons (with SHELLS) and snakefly brutes, I decided to explore a bit. I never saw any demons spawn from the pits. They did come from the edges though, or they just seemed to be standing around twiddling their giant evil thumbs waiting for me. Well, the blind demons (giant one eyed bees) did that anyway.


I eventually died from blood loss mind. So yeah, you probably could wall off the edges (about 5 z levels high) and claim your own place in hell.

P.S. has anyone found a way to mine Slade yet? maybe legendary miners with adamintine picks?

[DarthCloakedDwarf]

P.S. has anyone found a way to mine Slade yet? maybe legendary miners with adamintine picks?

Slade is a barrier, just like Semi-Molten Rock. It cannot be mined.

[dood_]

Aw  Bit of a disappointment that. Makes sense I guess though.

[FreakyCheeseMan]

Why is no one talking traps? Not the "Build Trap" menu traps, but *real* ones- I can't play until there's a mac release, but *someone* needs to try a cave-in gun. It's perfectly doable in theory (Link to two proposed designs below, see "Dwarven Hail" and "The Shot Tower" under "Offensive Traps".

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=54532.msg1171540#msg1171540

[Shoku]

Somebody said if you modded that 500000-y value by as little as a digit that it could be mined.

[KillerClowns]

Somebody said if you modded that 500000-y value by as little as a digit that it could be mined.

That'd be me, but the dwarves refused to do anything with it even when I changed all moddale stats to those of Microcline.  I think it's hard coded that anything used as the floor in Hell cannot be used for anything else, although genning a world with useable stone from the start in Hell might change this.  Self-promotion: I'll be testing this and other things once I'm done with finals.

[LordSlowpoke]

Well, semi-revelant to the thread, I survived over a month with hell open.

Sure, it was a pretty epic struggle. Sure, I wasted an entire region worth of adamantine. But I did it for SCIENCE. Also, I got 51 confirmed kills.
I changed my custom title to accustom the fact that I'm boasting about it.

And before somebody points out that I reported different numbers in one thread - I redid it. It was Fun.

[Rafal99]

Wouldn't self-repeatable water freezing trap work against demons? At least if you have no water-boiling ones?

The idea is:
Embark in a freezing climate. Have a long corridor filled with water for demons to path through. It must be "outside" so water can freeze. Below the corridor have a magma cistern with a retractable brigde on the bottom. Wait for the demons to come, open the bridge, drop the magma, have the water freeze together with the demons. Then close the bridge, pump the magma back so the ice melts. And repeating mechanism. Have fun!
Am I missing something?

[Kidiri]

Wouldn't self-repeatable water freezing trap work against demons? At least if you have no water-boiling ones?

The idea is:
Embark in a freezing climate. Have a long corridor filled with water for demons to path through. It must be "outside" so water can freeze. Below the corridor have a magma cistern with a retractable brigde on the bottom. Wait for the demons to come, open the bridge, drop the magma, have the water freeze together with the demons. Then close the bridge, pump the magma back so the ice melts. And repeating mechanism. Have fun!
Am I missing something?

Bridge-destroying creatures.

[FreakyCheeseMan]

Wouldn't self-repeatable water freezing trap work against demons? At least if you have no water-boiling ones?

The idea is:
Embark in a freezing climate. Have a long corridor filled with water for demons to path through. It must be "outside" so water can freeze. Below the corridor have a magma cistern with a retractable brigde on the bottom. Wait for the demons to come, open the bridge, drop the magma, have the water freeze together with the demons. Then close the bridge, pump the magma back so the ice melts. And repeating mechanism. Have fun!
Am I missing something?

No, the demon's never get to the bridge- you have water/demons, floor, magma, bridge, in descending order.

I like the idea... mind if I add it to the Art of War (link above), and if so, do you want to name it?

[Rafal99]

The bridge is on the bottom of magma cistern for the purpose of dropping magma fast. Demons have no access to your magma cistern nor to the bridge, they go through corridor above that cistern, separated with floors from it.

I like the idea... mind if I add it to the Art of War (link above), and if so, do you want to name it?

Well it isn't my idea actually.

Water freezing trap was first constructed here: http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-231-degrinchinator
Automatic ice melting version is here: http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-1675-semi-automaticorcsiclemaker

They are both mentioned in 40d trap desing wiki article:
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Trap_design (look at the end)

[lanceleoghauni]

"Urist! this is your Mayor speaking! we need more computing power!"

"We've suffered a Hell breach! the FPS can't take much more'a this cap'n"

"Hide all automatable Items from the overview!"

"I cannae Break the Laws of Dwarven Physics! I'm a mechanic not a miracle worker!"

[Jake]

Can the demons walk off the map once they reach the surface? That could be amusing.

And now I come to think of it, shouldn't opening a portal to Hell be a siege trigger if you somehow survive that long? You'd think your neighbours would be a bit upset about that sort of thing.

[Andir]

If it were me and my neighbor opened hell, I think I'd fortify the walls and close myself underground for eternity... I wouldn't want to waste my troops on someone who's already dead.