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Re: 0.31. MODDERS WORKSHOP (NEWCOMERS WELCOME!)
« Reply #105 on: April 16, 2010, 09:33:45 am »
Quote from: Wavecutter on April 15, 2010, 11:23:31 pm
Thanks for this thread. If you'd like to see what I'm hatching:
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is there some sort of repository of creature modifiers and such?


Corrected the all caps.
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« Reply #106 on: April 16, 2010, 12:48:11 pm »
Why is your description capitalized?

Why do you quote yourself?

Do you mean the creature tokens? They are all on http://df.magmawiki.com .
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« Reply #107 on: April 16, 2010, 01:53:09 pm »
Thanks for pointing out that error.

Yeah, didn't mean to just quote without text.

As for tokens, I feel like I'm missing some important info. For example, the token [VERMIN_EATER] what can be eaten? what can replace vermin and not break the syntax? Can I make [DWARF_EATER] or [FUNGIWOOD_EATER]?
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« Reply #108 on: April 16, 2010, 02:10:10 pm »
Quote from: Wavecutter on April 16, 2010, 01:53:09 pm
Thanks for pointing out that error.

Yeah, didn't mean to just quote without text.

As for tokens, I feel like I'm missing some important info. For example, the token [VERMIN_EATER] what can be eaten? what can replace vermin and not break the syntax? Can I make [DWARF_EATER] or [FUNGIWOOD_EATER]?
[vermin_eater] makes whatever creature behave like a default/vanilla cat
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« Reply #109 on: April 16, 2010, 02:13:00 pm »
So, is that the only way that tag can be used?
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« Reply #110 on: April 16, 2010, 02:13:56 pm »
Does anyone know if in the entity raws, you can make jobs or noble positions caste specific, with the castes being the ones in the creature raws? I'm going to be messing with it a bit, but if anyone already knows, that would be sweet.

It seems that the caste-related tags are not going to work in the entity files. I assume that the [Permitted_Job] tag is likewise not going to work in the creature files. Oh well.
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Re: 0.31. MODDERS WORKSHOP (NEWCOMERS WELCOME!)
« Reply #111 on: April 16, 2010, 10:29:42 pm »
Quote from: Wavecutter on April 16, 2010, 02:13:00 pm
So, is that the only way that tag can be used?

Yes. The tags are hard-coded for the most part, so putting something besides VERMIN in there would cause problems. Right now, no creatures besides the ones in a player fortress (i.e. dwarves, but even then only those in an active fortress) actually eat anything, or require food for that matter. [VERMIN_EATER] is the closest something can get, and all that really does is make the creature hunt and kill vermin like the cats.
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« Reply #112 on: April 16, 2010, 11:19:33 pm »
Haha, just putting the finishing touches on my tiger men! All sorts of things to worry about, but at least the women are dresses decently and the men don't go around in mankinis.

So, I'm planning to move them out of there easily tested citys and into hard to find caves, but I'm wondering, will they still claim territory like other races, and get into wars, or do they then fade into obscurity?

Apart from that, I want them to have fur rather then hair, thought it would be a walk in the park until I found there WAS no fur, everything had hair (I might go the long yards and change a lot of creatures in this mod I'm working on) so I'm trying to make my own. Would this work?

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« Reply #113 on: April 17, 2010, 04:26:43 am »
i did the same, "make" a fur template and it works too. i don't know, my version "feels" better to me.
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fur is designed for insulation so i doubled instead of 1.5 like you did. also sorta makes sense that stronger animals have thicker stronger fur so added the tag that muscles use but with base thickness of normal hair and skin. yes fur scars, notice how some animals that recovered from a serous gash or something have a pissing patch of fur where the skin also scar'ed?
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Re: 0.31. MODDERS WORKSHOP (NEWCOMERS WELCOME!)
« Reply #114 on: April 17, 2010, 04:48:13 am »
Well yes, scars DO leave marks, but it would seem a little strange to me to read a creatures bio and hear about how some scars are on its skin, and some are on its fur, so rather I'm happy to hear about the scars on its skin and know that it will show on there fur.

Each to there own though, that's what modding is about!

I also improved the insulation from hair, but only by 50%.
As for thickens with strength, I don't want ultra strong lionmen to have fur a meter thick and something else that should have long fur to be slim.

Apart from that, for some reason I can now get the game to crash when I try for a description, so I must have edited the creature wrong.
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« Reply #115 on: April 17, 2010, 06:22:19 am »

Quote from: Intelligent Shade of Blue on April 16, 2010, 10:29:42 pm
Quote from: Wavecutter on April 16, 2010, 02:13:00 pm
So, is that the only way that tag can be used?

Yes. The tags are hard-coded for the most part, so putting something besides VERMIN in there would cause problems. Right now, no creatures besides the ones in a player fortress (i.e. dwarves, but even then only those in an active fortress) actually eat anything, or require food for that matter. [VERMIN_EATER] is the closest something can get, and all that really does is make the creature hunt and kill vermin like the cats.

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Quote from: Lancensis on April 10, 2010, 08:44:44 am
[VERMIN_EATER] gives a vermin the ability to eat your food, it's [VERMINHUNTER] that gives it cat behaviour (it also makes them adopt dwarves, and I think a few other things that escape me at the minute).
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« Reply #116 on: April 17, 2010, 07:15:32 am »
Darn this! For some reason my fur doesn't agree with my chestless humanoid body! I can't figure out why the program likes it when they have a chest, but then I remove that tag from the body part and it crashes the game when I try for a description of the animal. I know I'm needs, but still, here is the code if you think you can crack this one.

The creature
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The male body
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And the fur
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The only thing I can think of is that the code NEEDS a tag to define what body part is for what, so everything needs a tag for [limb] or [head] or something along those lines, but my upper body doesn't have any. So is there a default one I can use so I don't have my men using helmets or gloves on there torso?

But on closer inspection this can not be the case, because the necks in the 7 necks body part don't need this tag, so it is optional for equipping stuff.
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« Reply #117 on: April 17, 2010, 11:33:46 am »
Quote from: Max White on April 17, 2010, 07:15:32 am
The creature
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this will get the fur to work:
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then about the "thicken_on_strength", fur isn't like metal or leather O.o and muscle isn't that solid unless the creature is above 2500 in strength. a thickness 1 that gets to thickness 2 (actually it's unsure what the thickens_on tags really do...) isn't that much of a change.
then again thanks for counter explaining the scars thing  :)  i'll have to remove that tag from mine then to make more sense in both "worlds"
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Re: 0.31. MODDERS WORKSHOP (NEWCOMERS WELCOME!)
« Reply #118 on: April 17, 2010, 12:22:49 pm »
Quote from: soul4hdwn on April 16, 2010, 02:10:10 pm
Quote from: Wavecutter on April 16, 2010, 01:53:09 pm
Thanks for pointing out that error.

Yeah, didn't mean to just quote without text.

As for tokens, I feel like I'm missing some important info. For example, the token [VERMIN_EATER] what can be eaten? what can replace vermin and not break the syntax? Can I make [DWARF_EATER] or [FUNGIWOOD_EATER]?
[vermin_eater] makes whatever creature behave like a default/vanilla cat

[verminhunter] is the cats trait

vermin_eater determines that this vermin will eat stuff in your stockpile (thus getting attracted there and killed from your kittens)
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« Reply #119 on: April 17, 2010, 01:37:32 pm »
HAHA!
Another step closer! The rough diamond is being shaped, but it seems that while the cutter was working on that, the miner of my imagination has found more precious gems that must be embedded into my mod!

The entitys seem to e doing VERY well. I have them set up so that some with sometimes go to war with each other and/or the dwarfs, without having any of them snatch babies or steal things. Although testing is annoying when there are several races all using the same structure in the same place.

What makes it worse is when you find that it was in fact humans that have taken over the site... Then you don't get to check in on any race! But at least it is reassuring that humans are also waging war on the newbys.
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