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[Rolan7]

I think we were waiting for you to read up, Leafsnail.  There's an awful lot to read, and we have until Wednesday, so no rush.

Just fyi, akigagak's last real post was on the 27th.  Webadict posted on the 29th.  Errol posted toward Webadict and me yesterday and Webadict may want to respond, but there are far worse lurkers here.

Oh I didn't notice he asked for an extension.  Um, if he asked for an extension and Errol disagreed, why is it Webadict who's trying to reach the deadline?  Not that I want an extension either, but I think you can find a better case than that.

Fakedit: I suspect Org was joking, heh.  Er, I think?

[Leafsnail]

Just fyi, akigagak's last real post was on the 27th.  Webadict posted on the 29th.  Errol posted toward Webadict and me yesterday and Webadict may want to respond, but there are far worse lurkers here.

But I'm not trying to find the worst lurker.  I'm trying to find scum.  And the one who insists on getting an extension before lurking in spite of usually being someone who keeps the town going is the scummiest.

As is the one who suddenly jumps out to defend him.

[Rolan7]

If you'd care to read even the last 5 pages, you'd see that Errol and Akigagak formed a team against first me, then Webadict.  Just see how Errol ignores every case I made against Akigagak.  Even when I accuse Webadict of trying to restart the flame war, and suggest I was hasty in condemning Errol, Errol merely calls me a lurker then blindly accepts that Akigagak has a good reason not to post for several days.

I am not Webadict's buddy.  I'm just sure Errol and Akigagak are scum, and you don't sound like you've read the thread yet.

We're all glad you're here and we can finally finish this, but please, read what has been posted.  I know it's tempting to find a lurker to lynch (though in that case you should really be voting Akigagak) but we're on page 28.  Incriminating things have been said.

[SirBayer]

Votecount IF I REMEMBER RIGHT:
Akigagak [1]: Rolan7
Rolan7 [2]: Akigagak, Errol
webadict [1]: Leafsnail

If I've got something wrong (which I almost certainly do) correct me please.

[webadict]

Well, I've finally got my damn role pm.  Navigator, if you're interested.

Anyway, Akigigak hasn't been posting.  He needs to get the hell down here pronto.  However, do you know who else hasn't been posting for the last couple of days in spite of yelling at everyone to get down here?  Webadict.  So, webadict, I suppose you thought you had a win in the bag then?  All you had to do was lurk until deadline while activity died, right?  If you needed an extension so much, why haven't you done anything with it?

Also - votecount?

Really? I've been gone for the weekend. It's really funny, considering you could've looked right at the last logon time and seen that it was Friday. Seems it's the same for Akigagak. Lame. I was hoping he'd get on here.

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Okay, I think I should start from a blank slate, here. Unvote.

Akigagak hasn't posted. SirBayer, please prod. AMD GET THAT DAMN REPLACEMENT IN HERE. We're basically unable to do anything until you finally replace inteuniso and get everyone in the thread.

1. You haven't asked Rolan7 any questions.

That's true, actually, at least as far as I can remember. Either that or I didn't get answers.

2. You haven't asked ME any questions.

Would you care expending the same amount of effort on other people?

Are you trying to distract people from your person?

Are you just trying to protect your scumbuddy, or what?

Would you bother with persuasion in this context?

These are still questions I asked, and questions I wanted to be answered. I don't think you actually did that, apart from the first.

3. If you're going to talk about tunnelvisioning, I'm going to go with the two people voting for Rolan7 here as tunnelvisioning.

Point taken and adressed.

4. I actually am watching Rolan7. He has, in fact, not shown up for a very long time. [PRE-POST EDIT:] Never mind, he's right there.

Good. Would you please mind asking him a few questions, now?

5. Copying my words straight back to me is not helping your case. You haven't even brought forth a good case.

It was to show that you really should look in the mirror before accusing me. If you try to deflect my question about your relationship to Rolan7 with two sentences, well, that's what you get.

6. If you were just siding with Akigagak, while there were two lurkers, weren't you going for the easy win, since there were two missing people?

I would have done the same thing if everyone was there. What Akigagak did is not my matter. You say I was siding with Akigagak, but can you prove that? Can you prove I was actively trying to get him to my side? All I can see is Akigagak driving in my slipstream, and that would be Akigagak buddying with me.

7. This also means you're simply waiting for someone to side with you. I, on the other hand, am waiting for Akigagak to actually post. He isn't posting, despite me asking him questions. If you have questions, perhaps you should ask them. Not that they aren't good questions, but your questions will most likely be irrelevant.

Well, I am waiting for him, too. And, since you want me to, here are my questions.

1. Akigagak, why did you join my position without a question?
2. Akigagak, why did you sabotage the roleclaim like you did?
3. Akigagak, why didn't you tell us earlier about your role clarification info you got from SirBayer (allegedly)?
4. Akigagak, why did you get so personal against Rolan7?

That's what I'd like to know from him. Others might want to know the exact same, but that's what interests me.
Everything I wanted to know from Rolan7 I already posted in the wall-of-text-war. But to sum it up - Rolan7, please contradict my thesis that you were ignoring parts of the posts.

8. Don't be a moron. Siding with your partner right away is stupid, unless you actually have a compelling case. You don't have a compelling case, since you are not positive that Rolan7 is scum. Probably because you're scum, and can never make a good case against him. You're trying to use peer pressure, which is an okay way to go, but it's not effective against people that play regularly.

Okay, but this is not what happened. We all know that the whole thing was a bloody huge waste of time that devolved into a muddy mess thanks to Akigagak's lapses in proper manners, and the answers to that. However, I repeat my point that you have to prove that *I* was siding with *him*.

9. I'm waiting for a replacement. SirBayer isn't even trying to find one.

That's nothing I can influence.

And 10. Next time you're scum with Akigagak, kill Akigagak right away. He'll end up siding with you in the end, and exposing you. Especially if you're purposefully trying to hide.

What's that supposed to be? Advice?

Webadict did question me, remember?  He asked Akiagak and me why we thought the other was scum.  I responded with a step-by-step case against Akigagak.  Akigagak responded by quoting something I said and calling it scummy.  Webadict insisted that Akigagak provide a case, and Akigagak failed to reply.  Eventually he came up with a RL reason *which could be a fabrication for all you know, yet you trusted him implicitly while criticising me for being quiet for a much shorter time*.

RL reasons are fine. But "There's nothing for me to reply on" is not. It shows you'd theoretically have time, but practically you prefer to lurk. Because there's always a reason to post.

Webadict also asked us who we considered likely second scum.  I chose you at first, for being scummy.  Then I reconsidered and got suspicious of Webadict for asking, thinking he was maybe causing trouble and trying to buddy with me.  I reached out to you, trying to convince you to consider Akigagak.  Your response?  Completely ignored all that and criticized me for being too quiet.

So no, Webadict and I aren't buddying.  We're being excluded by you and Akigagak who are glued together so hard you won't let anyone in.

I think I was too caught up with Webadict there... something to not repeat... Anyway...

What you said might be true, but consider the following:
- You haven't really been all too contributive. For example, you didn't ask any questions.
- What tipped me off was the lack of interaction between you and Webadict overall. He asked you a question, you responded, that's been it. That looks somewhat odd.
- I'm waiting for Akigagak to actually post something meaningful so that I can reconsider my opinion of him.

Burned out... phew, I have no more time for this... waiting for webadict to rip my post to pieces...

Everything in that quote that is yours is terrible.

But, I'm taking your unvote as a drastic measure to persuade others to your side, since you know you're going to lose that battle. You thought your partner infallible.

So, I'm going to vote Akigagak. It's too painful to watch it anymore.

[Rolan7]

So, I'm going to vote Akigagak. It's too painful to watch it anymore.

I'd say it's about damn time (:

Except that this highlights the hypocrisy of Errol and Akigagak claiming Webadict and I were buddying: they've both had their votes united against me for over a week, while Webadict evaluated the situation for what, about 5 days, giving Akigagak more chances than I think he deserved.  Webadict and I haven't been working in concert like Akigagak and Errol.  I was even ready to believe he was the second scum, but Errol wouldn't abandon his buddy Akigagak for anything.

I accused Webadict of sowing discord, and Webadict sought a case against me from A+E.  A+E have done 0 scumhunting against each other.  Who are the scumbuddies, and who are the victims?

[webadict]

So, I'm going to vote Akigagak. It's too painful to watch it anymore.

I'd say it's about damn time (:

Except that this highlights the hypocrisy of Errol and Akigagak claiming Webadict and I were buddying: they've both had their votes united against me for over a week, while Webadict evaluated the situation for what, about 5 days, giving Akigagak more chances than I think he deserved.  Webadict and I haven't been working in concert like Akigagak and Errol.  I was even ready to believe he was the second scum, but Errol wouldn't abandon his buddy Akigagak for anything.

I accused Webadict of sowing discord, and Webadict sought a case against me from A+E.  A+E have done 0 scumhunting against each other.  Who are the scumbuddies, and who are the victims?

It's better to not quick lynch.

But, neither Akigagak nor Errol could give me valid reasons why you were scum, and Leafsnail's first vote wasn't an automatic hammer on you, leaving the scum team to either you and Leafsnail, or Errol and Akigagak.

And Akigagak was being incredibly scummy.

[Leafsnail]

Webadict's posting looks sound so... unvote.

Now, I guess this leaves me with the decision.  If I get it right, we basically win, and if I get it wrong, we lose.  Personally, I'd say that Errol is the most scummy.  He seems to be fighting webadict but voting Rolan for some reason, and his long analysis post was truly terrible.  Especially this -

    7. This also means you're simply waiting for someone to side with you. I, on the other hand, am waiting for Akigagak to actually post. He isn't posting, despite me asking him questions. If you have questions, perhaps you should ask them. Not that they aren't good questions, but your questions will most likely be irrelevant.

Well, I am waiting for him, too. And, since you want me to, here are my questions.

1. Akigagak, why did you join my position without a question?
2. Akigagak, why did you sabotage the roleclaim like you did?
3. Akigagak, why didn't you tell us earlier about your role clarification info you got from SirBayer (allegedly)?
4. Akigagak, why did you get so personal against Rolan7?

If all these questions are of such pressing importance, why did you not ask them until webadict questioned you over it?  Also, if Akigagak jumping to your side worried you, why didn't you bring it up with him at the time?

Akigagak... I strongly suggest that you come down here now.  I'm going to vote you if you haven't posted within the next 24 hours.

[Errol]

Well, checkmate! Nicely played, people.

[Leafsnail]

Well, checkmate! Nicely played, people.

[Errol]

I'd like to post a special thanks to webadict btw! Masterful strategy. We will surely win now!

[Leafsnail]

[webadict]

I'd like to post a special thanks to webadict btw! Masterful strategy. We will surely win now!

?

Is this your idea of WIFOM? Because it's pretty terrible, even for you.

[Leafsnail]

Screw this.  Akigagak.

[Org]

Errol and Webadict are scum, but we cant say.
You see, Errol is wifoming. Now we cant trust webadict.
It could be Aki and Errol, with Errol wifoming to deflect.