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[Detros]

In the 7 years I've played Aurora I've never trusted the civilians to get stuff done for me.  I might ask em to move some auto mines off a drained world to another, but that usually has to be a half way point since civilian ships will only use so many JPs for pick up to drop off.

Wiki says about private shipping lines: "As of v7.0, Shipping range is unlimited, previously it was limited to 4 jumps."

[Flying Dice]

Maintenance is annoying, I play with it off since my second go. Will probably play with it again but it mostly seems like a waste of tonnage and resources. Also Mars is pretty close to the jump point to our first system to expand to, so a lot of minerals will be being dropped off at it by cargo freighter before going to Aphoras, I'd say roughly half and half, so keeping it stocked won't be a problem.

Mostly it's just the annoyance of unfun micromanagement. You could do what I do and play with it off but still design ships and give orders as if it were on. Basically the same effect, you're just cutting out annoyances.

[StagnantSoul]

Decided to restart after finding a third NPR, as strong as the second one, and equally aggressive... Actually found them as they jumped a ship into my system.

Error 11 Was generated by Aurora.

Division by Zero.


Again and again and again and again. Shut up about it and stop dividing by zero.

[Shooer]

Things that will make NPRs attack you with out "reason"
1) Active Sensors:  People don't like it if you stare at them.
2) Proximity:  Parking a ship over a population for any reason is a grave breach of personal space.
3) Having a ship in their home system:  Also a breach of personal space.
4) Having a colony in the same system as them:  Also a breach of personal space.

All these will destroy your standing with a NPR.  Once a NPR sets you to friendly they will largely ignore the above three.  Well it won't hurt your standing as much.  They'll even like you having some military in their systems at allied, most of the time.

A good way to get a NPR to not attack you is to set a diplo team as soon as you make initial contact and also having a ton of ships parked over your home.  Also the computer has to assume by tonnage and other things just like you would on what each ship is.  They don't need to know those 12 3k ton ships sitting on your homeworld are just inactive geo survey ships but they will rate them as some kind of combat ship for their attack yes/no calculations.

Wiki says about private shipping lines: "As of v7.0, Shipping range is unlimited, previously it was limited to 4 jumps."

Huh, forgot about that change.  I honestly only care about commercial shipping as a way to make wealth.

[StagnantSoul]

Okay this saves generating the stupid divded by zero error every increment, and a key not unique one every 4-5... Restart, or does someone know how to fix:

Error 11 was generated by Aurora.

Division by Zero.

Error 35602

Key is not unique in collection.

[Ehndras]

Hmm... Is there any chance of my NPR spawned in my home system to not become immediately hostile upon truce-ending? My empire spawned in first, so does that count as them being in MY homesystem, or does them having their homeworld here mean they have a unilateral claim and thus, will rage against me at first chance?

I'd really like to not go to war with them, if possible. :|

[Ehndras]

Dafuq, Aurora. Why yu inspire creepy weird scary creation myth for PC & NPR races.

Why gods why

[RAM]

Maintenance is annoying

play with it off but still design ships and give orders as if it were on. Basically the same effect, you're just cutting out annoyances.

But then you don't have the option to push it too far and play the odds. Do you let the fleet get underpowered or go over maintenance and wait for the next shift to arrive? If you do, will they get back to dock in one piece or will an engine explode? What of the lone ship that survived its battle, but lost an engine and now struggles home as its clock steadily rises... I can't help but feel that you are keeping the tedius design impediment and mission spam while losing all the substantive resource expenditure and all the glorious tales of crews struggling home as their ship crumbles around them.

But meh, to each their own.

[Descan]

So I had a confusing issue... I had a fleet of three cargo freighters, holds of 25.000 each (I.E. 1 standard hold) and 1-3 max-size (commercial) nuke-pulse engine(s) each. They were basically identical to the geo-survey fleet I'd already built which was zipping around, the only difference being the engine type (commercial vs military) and the cargo holds vs the geosurvey modules. Plenty of fuel and plenty of maintenance supplies (though oddly enough, this one didn't say anything about how long the maintenance supplies would last like the geosurvey ship did...?)

Except it doesn't move, like... At all. I tell it to move infrastructure from Earth to Mars; nothing. I tell it to simply load infrastructure on Earth; nothing. I tell it to just get over to Mars; Nope! It says it's constantly moving at 1700~ km/s, throughout all that, so why the hell isn't it moving?

I started as conventional so it was a while before I started getting these guys out there in the first place, so it's kinda annoying for it to glitch up like that and I don't notice until 2060s or something; Unless it's not glitching and I need something specifically on freighters that geo-survey ships don't...?

[Culise]

Are your shipyards building any ships to the same Task Group the freighters are in?  Task Groups that are the target of shipyard orders won't follow any of their own orders until the shipyards finish up and let them go; new builds tend to be the most frequent issue with this, since players don't typically move ships they're actively refitting or scrapping.

[Descan]

Mmm. That's probably it. I was expanding the freighter fleet continually; I guess I should be building ships to the Shipyard TG and transfering them over once they've completed instead, then?

[StagnantSoul]

Registered a month ago on the aurora forums, admins haven't accepted me yet... 

[Lord Shonus]

Plenty of fuel and plenty of maintenance supplies (though oddly enough, this one didn't say anything about how long the maintenance supplies would last like the geosurvey ship did...?)

Ships with only civilian components are maintenance-exempt.

[StagnantSoul]

Been wondering, what's the most optimal for fighters? A ton of size 1 missiles, a few size 4s, or two size 8s?

Better example is which is better, the Cerberus or the Minotaur?

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Minotaur class Fighter-bomber    325 tons     3 Crew     74.2 BP      TCS 6.5  TH 50  EM 0
7692 km/s     Armour 2-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 3.6
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 0    AFR 65%    IFR 0.9%    1YR 3    5YR 46    Max Repair 25 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 1 months    Spare Berths 2   
Magazine 24   

50 EP Internal Fusion Drive (1)    Power 50    Fuel Use 587%    Signature 50    Exp 25%
Fuel Capacity 30 000 Litres    Range 2.8 billion km   (4 days at full power)

Size 4 Box Launcher (6)    Missile Size 4    Hangar Reload 30 minutes    MF Reload 5 hours
Missile Fighter Control 11mil (1)     Range 11.5m km    Resolution 100
Size 4 11mil (6)  Speed: 25 000 km/s   End: 7.7m    Range: 11.6m km   WH: 9    Size: 4    TH: 225/135/67

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

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Cerberus class Fighter-bomber    325 tons     3 Crew     79.8 BP      TCS 6.5  TH 50  EM 0
7692 km/s     Armour 4-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 2.4
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 0    AFR 65%    IFR 0.9%    1YR 5    5YR 68    Max Repair 25 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 1 months    Spare Berths 2   
Magazine 16   

50 EP Internal Fusion Drive (1)    Power 50    Fuel Use 587%    Signature 50    Exp 25%
Fuel Capacity 30 000 Litres    Range 2.8 billion km   (4 days at full power)

Size 8 Box Launcher (2)    Missile Size 8    Hangar Reload 60 minutes    MF Reload 10 hours
Missile Fighter Control 20mil (1)     Range 20.2m km    Resolution 100
Size 8 20mil (2)  Speed: 25 000 km/s   End: 13.4m    Range: 20.1m km   WH: 16    Size: 8    TH: 241/145/72

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

I'm gonna use them in 2:1 ratios in hangars, or maybe 1:1:1 with a third being a gauss fighter, for mobile PD or anti fighter duty.

[Lord Shonus]

With the missiles listed, the size-4 version is clearly better. The warheads on the 8s are less than twice the warhead on the 4s, and you have more than twice as many 4s. This means that you not only send more missiles at the defenses (increasing the odds that some will get through), but your total throw weight is much higher (54 warhead points instead of 32). The only edge the 8s have is range, and for fighters the difference between 11 million kilometers and 20 million is relatively minor - they're small enough that you'll probably live to get your shot off either way.

If you really want the big missiles to be viable, drop the fire control down to the 11.5m km version and tweak the missiles to be optimal at that range (cut out half the fuel and replace it with agility or somesuch). See if you can fit in an extra tube or two by doing that.