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[MarcAFK]

I'm not sure about the self only problem, but I have noticed that for final defensive fire quite often my ships have no charge in the capacitors if they fired last round, final defensive fire seems to occur at the very beginning of the round before capacitors recharge.

[Bremen]

I'm not sure about the self only problem, but I have noticed that for final defensive fire quite often my ships have no charge in the capacitors if they fired last round, final defensive fire seems to occur at the very beginning of the round before capacitors recharge.

If that's it, it might explain why not everyone is noticing it, since a lot of people use Gauss turrets for beam PD. Were the other people noticing the problem using powered weapons?

[MarcAFK]

It's an unusual problem which only presents itself if you have a ship set to final defensive fire, and still have the fire control targeting an individual ship and not holding fire, so on any increment where there was nothing in range for defensive fire at the start of the round, but the targeted ship is in range the weapon will fire at the end of the round, then when the next round occurs the missiles move first, triggering defensive fire which is stopped because of a lack of power.
I think area defence also occurs at the start of the round too, because my tests were constantly spamming me with.... I'm not sure, the log crashes when I set the display number high enough, I'll run anther test tonight.

[Bremen]

It's an unusual problem which only presents itself if you have a ship set to final defensive fire, and still have the fire control targeting an individual ship and not holding fire, so on any increment where there was nothing in range for defensive fire at the start of the round, but the targeted ship is in range the weapon will fire at the end of the round, then when the next round occurs the missiles move first, triggering defensive fire which is stopped because of a lack of power.
I think area defence also occurs at the start of the round too, because my tests were constantly spamming me with.... I'm not sure, the log crashes when I set the display number high enough, I'll run anther test tonight.

That's not my problem, then. I've noticed several times that when I have a fleet of ships on final defensive fire and missiles hit, sometimes they'll all fire, sometimes only some will fire, and sometimes none will fire. Even when there aren't any enemy ships within millions of kilometers.

[MarcAFK]

I wonder, what was the speed of the enemy missiles, and the range of your point defence?
 Because from the wiki:"If the missile can cross the engagement range of a PD beam during a single movement then it will not be engaged. "..

[Bremen]

I wonder, what was the speed of the enemy missiles, and the range of your point defence?
 Because from the wiki:"If the missile can cross the engagement range of a PD beam during a single movement then it will not be engaged. "..

That doesn't count for final defensive fire, though. And even if it did, it wouldn't explain why with two identical ships, sometimes one will fire and the other wont.

[Dorfs R Fun]

Does this have anything to do with autofire? Although I can get it to accomplish what I need, I am often perplexed with all the mixing around of fire controls when having autofire enabled.

CIWS, I lurve you. Reliable, and I never leave home without one. Mid-game I always give my scouts a gauss turret  so when combined with my fleet they provide PD. I have always found the other weapon systems less reliable just from my limited experience.

[Dorfs R Fun]

So in my current Aurora Challenge game after 18 empty systems I come across my first alien life. 2 NPRs engaged with each other. One is small but the other one is huge. It emits about 5x the EM signature as my home planet. I could be in trouble. Aurora has surprised me once again.

Edit: aaaannnd, I'm getting overflow error every 5 seconds while these 2 alien civs duke it out. Oh Aurora, you doth protest too much.

[Rinnix]

This design A-OK? Looking to kick some alien arse. I've opted out of putting a large resolution active sensor and TH/EM sensors on the missile cruisers, instead giving them to accompanying scout vessels.

The current enemy ships in the Alpha Centauri system travel at a clean 6000 km/s, so I'm hoping defense will suffice until distance is closed.
The missile cruiser:

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Loafwad class Missile Cruiser    7 650 tons     187 Crew     1583.2 BP      TCS 153  TH 1000  EM 0
6535 km/s     Armour 7-34     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 4     PPV 24
Maint Life 2.75 Years     MSP 517    AFR 117%    IFR 1.6%    1YR 99    5YR 1478    Max Repair 144 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Spare Berths 0   
Magazine 344   

200 EP Magneto-plasma Drive (5)    Power 200    Fuel Use 110.05%    Signature 200    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 500 000 Litres    Range 10.7 billion km   (18 days at full power)

Size 7 Missile Launcher (3)    Missile Size 7    Rate of Fire 45
Size 1 Missile Launcher (3)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 10
Missile Fire Control FC200-R60 (1)     Range 200.8m km    Resolution 60
Anti-Missile Fire Control FC25-R1 (1)     Range 25.9m km    Resolution 1
Size 1 Anti-missile Missile (43)  Speed: 24 000 km/s   End: 0.3m    Range: 0.4m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 120/72/36
Size 7 Anti-ship Missile (43)  Speed: 11 700 km/s   End: 164.2m    Range: 115.3m km   WH: 9    Size: 7    TH: 58/35/17

Active Search Sensor MR2-R1 (1)     GPS 36     Range 2.2m km    MCR 235k km    Resolution 1

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

I can't see many problems that remain with the design. I did have a gas-cooled reactor on there for some strange reason, but I've since removed it. I suppose it'd be a good idea to bump up the range on my AMM? And add more AMM lawnchairs?

[Flying Dice]

They're not going to be effective unless you've got a few dozen or so of them. It's one of the big reasons why small missile ships need to be basically specialized launchers strapped onto a drive: you need large salvos to land decent numbers of hits, especially with low tech. Three ASM launchers per ship firing missiles with CTH that low are going to do basically nothing against enemy ships, and three AAM launchers in the same condition will do even less to enemy missile fire.

Split them into dedicated PD and offensive platforms. For a ship between 1k tons and 10k tons, you should have at least six to eight launchers. For a ship that size, you can easily manage twelve. Do the same for your AMM platforms, except that you can fit in more launchers and missiles.

[Rince Wind]

Also 43 AMMs in the magazine won't last you very long. My command ships have way more than that.

[gimlet]

Agree with the above, and AWFULLY short range on the AMM, you're not gonna get many repeat shots at incomings.  With a 3-1 allocation your AMMs will kill something like 70% of your ASM as designed, which will be a lot of leakers if you don't get multiple shots or have PD gun ships.  So actually yeah if you do it this way maybe you do need the heavyish armor you have.  On the gripping hand, it's the scouts with the big sensors that will be the main targets, if you offset those a little your other ships probably won't come under much missile fire until the range closes considerably.  The scouts  better be set up to eat a ton though, unless you scam the AI with the switch on/off trick...

[Rinnix]

They're not going to be effective unless you've got a few dozen or so of them. It's one of the big reasons why small missile ships need to be basically specialized launchers strapped onto a drive: you need large salvos to land decent numbers of hits, especially with low tech. Three ASM launchers per ship firing missiles with CTH that low are going to do basically nothing against enemy ships, and three AAM launchers in the same condition will do even less to enemy missile fire.

Split them into dedicated PD and offensive platforms. For a ship between 1k tons and 10k tons, you should have at least six to eight launchers. For a ship that size, you can easily manage twelve. Do the same for your AMM platforms, except that you can fit in more launchers and missiles.

Also 43 AMMs in the magazine won't last you very long. My command ships have way more than that.

Thanks! Taken care of, somewhat. PD-dedicated ships set up, and number of launchers increased.

Agree with the above, and AWFULLY short range on the AMM, you're not gonna get many repeat shots at incomings.  With a 3-1 allocation your AMMs will kill something like 70% of your ASM as designed, which will be a lot of leakers if you don't get multiple shots or have PD gun ships.  So actually yeah if you do it this way maybe you do need the heavyish armor you have.  On the gripping hand, it's the scouts with the big sensors that will be the main targets, if you offset those a little your other ships probably won't come under much missile fire until the range closes considerably.  The scouts  better be set up to eat a ton though, unless you scam the AI with the switch on/off trick...

shit.. Too late! it's happening



edit: battle summary: all my missiles missed. all their missiles hit. crushing defeat.

[gimlet]

Heh, oh well.  How many ships did you have?  How big were the incoming salvos and what were their missile speeds? 

[Sagal]

Your ASM seem awfully slow and big for that drive level too. Or I'm thinking of the next drive level.

By the way, I hope you guys saw that there are going to be NPR carriers in the next patch