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[forsaken1111]

There hasn't been much to post about!

Very well, I still think Neruz is a scumface for reasons I've already gone into. I'd also like to know why toony things webadict is a dopp.

[Pandarsenic]

Paranormal Mafa?

[forsaken1111]

Paranormal Mafa?

Aren't you dead? This is your third post-death quip. According to the rules you're risking a ban if meph is feelin' grumpy.

[Pandarsenic]

Hey, I'm just saying he might want to fix the thread title whenever he gets back.

[ExKirby]

OK, dak;

I was thinking about posting, but I couldn't get my head round what was going on... I'm considering something, but I need to think about it more...

[forsaken1111]

What don't you understand? Townies share information ExKirby, there's no reason to be secretive or to lurk.

[ToonyMan]

I read through this and that's who I think.

[webadict]

While I'm waiting for Jim to reply:

@Mod Prod requests for:

ExKirby and Frelock haven't posted since Day 2 started.

Meanwhile, Webadict, AFD, and Forsaken haven't posted in 24 hours.

Yeah yeah yeah. I was going to but I didn't see the new. (I hit it and had to leave)

Now, let's do this:

Alright, dakarian, let's see. Right here is where you planted the seed of suspicion. Essentially, in that post, you were multiplying ExKirby's behavior into something suspicious. It just so happened that this was in response to a vote against webadict. Scum defending scum? Town scumhunting against a poorly reasoned vote? It could be either, really, but it was worth following up on.

Adding Pressure on a player to get a read on them.

Btw, if you had a suspicion there why didn't you bring it up at that time?

I didn't want your help against webadict; I'm a big boy, I can defend myself (Given enough time to make a half-decent post). I asked your opinion because I wanted to gauge your reaction to webadict's behavior. Depending on your response, I would know more about you. This was not the case, however, as your response didn't really mean a whole lot one way or the other.

So instead of pushing the matter to try to get a read on me, or getting a feeling that the ExKirby comment was town or scum aligned, you just leave it alone.

Until I vote for you.

In fact, I notice that not only do you panic upon one question and a pressure vote, that you also seem content to just hunt after those who are targeting you.

That's not such a bad place to start, is it? I know I'm town, so I'm scumhunting in the direction of the people voting for me. I need to find out whether they're town or not, and quickly, too, so I don't get too focused on them.

If I'm being defensive, it's because people are trying to lynch me for unreasonable reasons. If I'm being reactive, it's because people keep voting for me before I can respond. They are not inherently scum qualities.

You say that you're town yet instead of simply explaining yourself you quickly grow defensive and attack those who question you.  When they stop attacking you, you leave them alone.  I note that AFD and I, who both focused on you are targeted, but Web, who hasn't is untouched.


So defensive and scumhunting only enough to push away suspicion.  Are you saying those are bad reasons to focus on someone? 

Also, what lie are you talking about? I haven't lied, so you're just making things up or misled on the matter.

Your questions was why did I ask you about webadict's vote, correct?

...

Then you decided follow webadict's directions without even asking any questions and voted for me.

You note that I DID ask you a question, then turn around and say I didn't ask any questions.


In day 1, meanwhile, you reply to my question by saying that I'm not asking any questions, then say that you have no time to answer any questions.

... Honestly, I only did that whole accusation thing merely as a... joke? I wanted to prove that, in fact, I could take every post that a person had posted and use it negatively. Fun fact: The only reason I voted Jim Groovester was because he wrote "... Blah blah blah role question?" which is very scummy in itself, but it's a single scumtell. Some people do it. Doesn't mean he's NOT scum. On the contrary, he could be anything. But the reasons I used are... well, they're pretty terrible. I mean, I'd never lynch on such terrible reasoning. I learned my lesson from Para 7 or 8.

So, why do you think he's scummy then? Because he's fighting back? Yeah screw you! I'd fight back too! I'll fight back indeed! You're using pretty terrible reasoning. I mean, come on! Was it really that easy to convince you of such terrible reasoning? Hahaha...

You're funny! I'm glad you jumped right into Day 2 trying to take out Jim Groovester and that AFD had somehow linked Janus to Jim! I just don't quite understand these attacks...

[Kashyyk]

Neruz:

What I meant was I don't have any unanswered questions that I'd asked people on day 1. It made more sense in my head and since the day was so new there hadn't been any developments that hadn't been addressed (as far as I noticed) and I didn't have anything to add to the things that had happened, hence that comment.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, that must have been a grammar thing.  Because it looked like you admitted to bandwagon there.

"You wrote what I wrote RedWarrior0, what you wrote was bandwagoning."

He was bandwagonning onto what I said... hence bandwagonning.  But it's actually quite a bit different now that I look at it, whatever.  I'll take Neruz's actions yesterday as a mistake, for now, but consider an FoS still on you.  Unvote.

I was thinking about posting, but I couldn't get my head round what was going on... I'm considering something, but I need to think about it more...

ExKirby, what do you want to tell us?  If you have any suspicions, you should post them here.  You've been very quiet since day 2 started, which isn't normal for you.

[dakarian]

@ web

When you flung that attack at him, I did a quick scan and was reminded of his question to me.  As such my starting reason for voting Jim was a pressure vote, based on it.  It seemed out of the blue enough to warrant a little pressure on him.  I wanted to see if it was a whispered "Hey! That guy looks bad, don't you think?"

What I got though was an ugly mess.  Instead of answering the question, he jumped on me for 'listening to Webadict, and didn't even ask any questions'.  That just sounded messed up, especialy the end since I very much did ask him a question.

So Day 2 shows up, Jim never DID answer the question so I started in on him.  He finally answers the question, stating that he was suspicious of me.  That needed more prodding to get more out of him but it can be true.

Though now that there's the issue of not bringing up said suspicions early on when his question failed to give the info he wanted (he couldn't have asked what was the issue with ExKirby?), getting extremely jumpy over a pressure vote, misrepresenting my argument to the point of lying, and deciding to only attack those who vote for him (excluding his early vote on Org, which started out alright but wasn't mentioned again after a few posts and just left the vote parked). 

Thus I pressure on.  I'm not done with him, but he needs more to explain himself.


Btw, why the backpeddle?  You say your whole attack was a joke BUT you also say that it was based on a real scumtell.  "He could be scum or town" would be the point where you start pressuring him.  Why ignore it for the "it was all just an illuuusion" stunt?

And why are you glad that AFD found that link when you hated the whole concept of it?

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
A_Fey_Dwarf: Jim Groovester, webadict
ExKirby: Leafsnail
Jim Groovester: A_Fey_Dwarf, dakarian
Kashyyk: MagmaDeath, Neruz
Leafsnail: ToonyMan
Neruz: RedWarrior0, forsaken1111

[webadict]

@ web

When you flung that attack at him, I did a quick scan and was reminded of his question to me.  As such my starting reason for voting Jim was a pressure vote, based on it.  It seemed out of the blue enough to warrant a little pressure on him.  I wanted to see if it was a whispered "Hey! That guy looks bad, don't you think?"

What I got though was an ugly mess.  Instead of answering the question, he jumped on me for 'listening to Webadict, and didn't even ask any questions'.  That just sounded messed up, especialy the end since I very much did ask him a question.

So Day 2 shows up, Jim never DID answer the question so I started in on him.  He finally answers the question, stating that he was suspicious of me.  That needed more prodding to get more out of him but it can be true.

Though now that there's the issue of not bringing up said suspicions early on when his question failed to give the info he wanted (he couldn't have asked what was the issue with ExKirby?), getting extremely jumpy over a pressure vote, misrepresenting my argument to the point of lying, and deciding to only attack those who vote for him (excluding his early vote on Org, which started out alright but wasn't mentioned again after a few posts and just left the vote parked). 

Thus I pressure on.  I'm not done with him, but he needs more to explain himself.


Btw, why the backpeddle?  You say your whole attack was a joke BUT you also say that it was based on a real scumtell.  "He could be scum or town" would be the point where you start pressuring him.  Why ignore it for the "it was all just an illuuusion" stunt?

And why are you glad that AFD found that link when you hated the whole concept of it?

... No, I'm saying I pressured him just fine. If he's scum, then oh well. I don't think he is. You're all upset because he didn't answer a question? OH NO!

SOME CALL THE WAH-MBULANCE!

How about you just stop crying and bring it up again? Link to the questions. Quote the questions. Do something beside whining like a little baby.

And I didn't realize I couldn't pressure by my lonesome! HEAR THAT EVERYONE? I'm not very influential when it comes to pressuring people. Apparently, I'm too nice-a guy for anyone to do anything if I tell them to.

Ooooooh noooooo! People show scumtells!

Okay, watch this one, dakarian. I'll teach you something about scumtells. I'll display as many scumtells in the next sentence as I can.

Too bad we lost an FBI agent! Ah man! Those Dopps sure are tricky! But, I guess they'd have to be because I'm one of them just kidding. But why did we all vote Org yesterday?!? It was so obvious he was town! I mean, geez! Let's use more information this time!

Oh no, everyone! I'm scum for showing scumtells!

Look, if you jump at one little thing, tearing it to shreds, you're going to lose it for us. Otherwise, you're scum trying to get whatever you can. Sure, investigate some more. But what did you learn? Anything? Duuuuh... You managed to create the worst link imaginable and STILL persist that the scum are going to be obvious about who they're killing and why.

You might think you're getting something, but you're just squeezing a dried orange for juice.

[dakarian]

1. You say you did that whole accusation as a joke, and now you're saying you pressured him properly? 

2. The issues he needs to answer are displayed in the very last post I addressed to him.  He hasn't shown up yet to talk about them.  He's already answered past questions.

3. No, you DIDN'T pressure him.  You threw a few pokes, presented everything in an attack you just called a 'joke' and walked away.  You didn't even say that you felt he was ok: your vote on Org was just to stop a tie.  After that, he ignored it and now you're calling it a mass of nothing.

4. This bit is odd.. very odd. 

You managed to create the worst link imaginable and STILL persist that the scum are going to be obvious about who they're killing and why.

AFD is the one trying the whole scumkill read issue. 


Web, that's just ugly.  You screamed out how Jim should be killed complete with an 'analysis'.  Now you're saying it's all a joke and he didn't do anything (well, except a scumtell but we should ignore that).  You're pushing at my attack on him but just to remark on how poor the attack is and not on whether I'm scummy for it (except one very vague remark).  You also heavily misunderstood my argument to the point of mistaking one person's argument for another.

If you're being honest about joking, then you have been Active Lurking this whole time.  If you haven't, then you're trying to either cover up for Jim or buddying with him after scaring the mess out of him.  However you swing it, you're ugly for it.

Unvote Jim

Vote Web

[webadict]

1. You say you did that whole accusation as a joke, and now you're saying you pressured him properly? 

2. The issues he needs to answer are displayed in the very last post I addressed to him.  He hasn't shown up yet to talk about them.  He's already answered past questions.

3. No, you DIDN'T pressure him.  You threw a few pokes, presented everything in an attack you just called a 'joke' and walked away.  You didn't even say that you felt he was ok: your vote on Org was just to stop a tie.  After that, he ignored it and now you're calling it a mass of nothing.

4. This bit is odd.. very odd. 

You managed to create the worst link imaginable and STILL persist that the scum are going to be obvious about who they're killing and why.

AFD is the one trying the whole scumkill read issue. 


Web, that's just ugly.  You screamed out how Jim should be killed complete with an 'analysis'.  Now you're saying it's all a joke and he didn't do anything (well, except a scumtell but we should ignore that).  You're pushing at my attack on him but just to remark on how poor the attack is and not on whether I'm scummy for it (except one very vague remark).  You also heavily misunderstood my argument to the point of mistaking one person's argument for another.

If you're being honest about joking, then you have been Active Lurking this whole time.  If you haven't, then you're trying to either cover up for Jim or buddying with him after scaring the mess out of him.  However you swing it, you're ugly for it.

Unvote Jim

Vote Web

Jim didn't work for ya, eh?

Yeah, I guess it's tough when you can't really find anything scummy about someone that you had to switch to someone else, eh?

It's a shame and you know it's true.

I did pressure him. I don't play with your rulebook. I do things my way. All I ever ask of people is you do what I say or stay out of my way (It rhymes for memorization!)

Anyhow, whether or not you figure out, I'm not scum. I'm glad one of your reasons is that something is odd, but not necessarily scummy, because you won't ignore it, but you're not in support of it? Oh ho mister flippy-floppy!

Web, that's just ugly.  You screamed out how Jim should be killed complete with an 'analysis'.  Now you're saying it's all a joke and he didn't do anything (well, except a scumtell but we should ignore that).  You're pushing at my attack on him but just to remark on how poor the attack is and not on whether I'm scummy for it (except one very vague remark).  You also heavily misunderstood my argument to the point of mistaking one person's argument for another.

... Uh huh. And what part about me does this seem abnormal or even scummy? I'm not saying ignore it. I'm saying you don't really have a real reason to vote Jim. I'm sure you like to blame genetic deficiencies for that instead of yourself, but, you know, that's a personal attack and considered scummy!

And I'm sorry if AFD had a SLIGHTLY better argument than you. You're right, I gave you too much credit! Your argument is similar to mine yesterday, except for you have that "U NEED ANSER QWESTENS!" argument, which is pretty stupid and it took you after until after AFD voted for you to do so.

And no. I have no clue whether you're scum or not. I've only seen you as town, and hence have no idea if you're really this stupid as scum. I HAVE seen you be this stupid before as town though, which leaves me with only bemusement at your complete lack of logical and critical thinking skills.

If you're being honest about joking, then you have been Active Lurking this whole time.  If you haven't, then you're trying to either cover up for Jim or buddying with him after scaring the mess out of him.  However you swing it, you're ugly for it.

It wasn't a joke. I wanted to make an argument and see who jumped on it. It was an incredibly vague and pointless argument that I could do against everyone. I could do it against you! If you want. Any defense you make against it could be considered scummy by me simply saying you're over-explaining or you're too vague or you're passive or you're aggressive or just about anything!

Get over yourself. You fall in a hole; you climb out. Just because I dug it doesn't mean it was meant to catch you specifically. You're just a moron in my way. But now you could be considered scummy and people may use this argument against you later on.

I thought that perhaps you were indeed ready for playing with grown-ups but I think we out to play with the kid gloves on, just for you. Kk thx bai