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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #300 on: December 09, 2009, 02:18:07 pm »

My argument is still active for Jim.  When he gets back I'll find out if he's scum or not.  Meanwhile, I can get a good read on you.

Hmm, 'do what I say or stay out of my way'.  Funny.  I left you be on him and you drop your pressure like a broken balloon (so you WERE hunting him now, and you weren't joking?  So you didn't lie in Day 1.. only lied in Day 2?)

'odd but not scummy'  whether it was just you messing up as town or messing up as scum is what we're finding out now.  '

As for what part of that makes you look scummy?  Depends on how you swing it:

If you were joking, the fact that you spent all day doing it means you are just active lurking.  Active lurking IS scummy and, although you do get boisterous, you can't claim active lurk as part of your Meta.

If you weren't joking, then the lack of follow up means you just messed up the entire case against Jim.  I note that you struck at both people for having 'horrible reasons to attack Jim'.  Now every attempt to scumhunt him has to go through you. 

That's not scumhunting.  That's KILLING a scumhunt.  That's stifling a town that's already half stuck in lurk mode.

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And I'm sorry if AFD had a SLIGHTLY better argument than you. You're right, I gave you too much credit! Your argument is similar to mine yesterday, except for you have that "U NEED ANSER QWESTENS!" argument, which is pretty stupid and it took you after until after AFD voted for you to do so.

Example of what I'm talking about.  "I already made that argument and I deem it crap so stop using it".  Aka "Leave him alone and no one gets hurt."

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And no. I have no clue whether you're scum or not. I've only seen you as town, and hence have no idea if you're really this stupid as scum. I HAVE seen you be this stupid before as town though, which leaves me with only bemusement at your complete lack of logical and critical thinking skills.

"Your town, but if you keep attacking me or Jim then you must be scum."  Why am I getting this from BOTH of you btw?  It's ugly when he does it, and it doesn't look any better coming from you.


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It wasn't a joke. I wanted to make an argument and see who jumped on it. It was an incredibly vague and pointless argument that I could do against everyone. I could do it against you! If you want. Any defense you make against it could be considered scummy by me simply saying you're over-explaining or you're too vague or you're passive or you're aggressive or just about anything!

"I took all of Jim's posts, including his scumtells, and set it up so that no one can use it in an argument."  Combined with "I find your argument null and void.  Go away or I'll name you scum.."


You claim to have been pressuring Jim earlier.  Before then, you claim it was just a joke.  Now you claim it was a trap.  Your story switches by the paragraph in an attempt to explain yourself and its peppered with plenty of vague threats of me being lynched for it.  You aren't even trying to see if I'm scum.  You're just trying to get me to stop. 

Once the petty insults are taken out, all that's left is story flexing, scumhunt killing, and fearmongering.  Contrary to your desires, I'll find out the truth about Jim.  For now, it looks like I found my first scum.

 
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #301 on: December 09, 2009, 02:50:30 pm »

Go home, dakarian. You're taking everything as incredibly wrong as you can. Just... go home. Please just leave and maybe, when you're no longer in the mentally challenged range of the intelligence spectrum, you can come back and make actual arguments.

My argument is still active for Jim.  When he gets back I'll find out if he's scum or not.  Meanwhile, I can get a good read on you.
Wait so I'm scum until he comes back?

Hmm, 'do what I say or stay out of my way'.  Funny.  I left you be on him and you drop your pressure like a broken balloon (so you WERE hunting him now, and you weren't joking?  So you didn't lie in Day 1.. only lied in Day 2?)
Yep.

'odd but not scummy'  whether it was just you messing up as town or messing up as scum is what we're finding out now.  '
I'm pretty sure if you're not going to figure it out now, then you're probably never going to recover from your brain turning into a gooey mass.

As for what part of that makes you look scummy?  Depends on how you swing it:

If you were joking, the fact that you spent all day doing it means you are just active lurking.  Active lurking IS scummy and, although you do get boisterous, you can't claim active lurk as part of your Meta.
Yep. I don't active lurk. I see who does what and analyze them. I do that in different ways. You can go suck a lemon soon.

If you weren't joking, then the lack of follow up means you just messed up the entire case against Jim.  I note that you struck at both people for having 'horrible reasons to attack Jim'.  Now every attempt to scumhunt him has to go through you. 
Nope, it was a terrible argument. I like to see who jumps with me when I hop off bridges.

That's not scumhunting.  That's KILLING a scumhunt.  That's stifling a town that's already half stuck in lurk mode.
It's killing a scumhunt to see who's too lazy to actually analyze an argument to see if it's valid or strong? Maybe it's also killing a scumhunt to see who follows you for no reason. Oh, I've got a good one! It's killing a scumhunt to jump on crappy reasons to vote for someone.

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And I'm sorry if AFD had a SLIGHTLY better argument than you. You're right, I gave you too much credit! Your argument is similar to mine yesterday, except for you have that "U NEED ANSER QWESTENS!" argument, which is pretty stupid and it took you after until after AFD voted for you to do so.

Example of what I'm talking about.  "I already made that argument and I deem it crap so stop using it".  Aka "Leave him alone and no one gets hurt."
Yep. It is crap. You should probably just ask him to answer the questions.

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And no. I have no clue whether you're scum or not. I've only seen you as town, and hence have no idea if you're really this stupid as scum. I HAVE seen you be this stupid before as town though, which leaves me with only bemusement at your complete lack of logical and critical thinking skills.

"Your town, but if you keep attacking me or Jim then you must be scum."  Why am I getting this from BOTH of you btw?  It's ugly when he does it, and it doesn't look any better coming from you.
Wanna know why I say that? Because you're just jumping on everyone that attacks YOU! Isn't that part of your argument against Jim? Oh no! Full circle. That must make you scum as well!

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It wasn't a joke. I wanted to make an argument and see who jumped on it. It was an incredibly vague and pointless argument that I could do against everyone. I could do it against you! If you want. Any defense you make against it could be considered scummy by me simply saying you're over-explaining or you're too vague or you're passive or you're aggressive or just about anything!

"I took all of Jim's posts, including his scumtells, and set it up so that no one can use it in an argument."  Combined with "I find your argument null and void.  Go away or I'll name you scum.."
Nah, I don't name people scum like that. I name stupid people like that. Being a moron and being mafia aren't the same thing. Do you need me to explain that to you in little itty-bitty words?

You claim to have been pressuring Jim earlier.  Before then, you claim it was just a joke.  Now you claim it was a trap.  Your story switches by the paragraph in an attempt to explain yourself and its peppered with plenty of vague threats of me being lynched for it.  You aren't even trying to see if I'm scum.  You're just trying to get me to stop. 
... Yeah, I am. You're a grade-A detective! I AM trying to get you to stop. Because you're wasting everyone valuable time (Maybe yours isn't) by going after stupid things. You get a real reason and I wouldn't have to berate you for your ignorance. It's insulting to me to have to do this constantly.

Once the petty insults are taken out, all that's left is story flexing, scumhunt killing, and fearmongering.  Contrary to your desires, I'll find out the truth about Jim.  For now, it looks like I found my first scum.
You'll find out the truth? Okay! Either you haven't been listening or you're a moron. I think he's town. You found nothing. Holy crap, I can't believe a majority of the things you say.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #302 on: December 09, 2009, 03:23:40 pm »

Unvote.

Webadict... what the fuck... are you doing?  Were you trying to scumhunt or not?  As far as I can tell, you're not actually answering any of dakarian's points, but just saying they're stupid insulting him.  Christ, you're gonna insult me now for voting you.  But I don't care.  I want to see if we can get a serious response out of you.

Questions:
1. Do you think dakarian's scum or not?
2. If not, why are you getting so angry?
3. Why are you getting massively overdefensive over a single vote, something that you criticize so much in others?
4. What makes you so sure Jim is town?
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #303 on: December 09, 2009, 03:35:21 pm »

Go home, dakarian. You're taking everything as incredibly wrong as you can. Just... go home. Please just leave and maybe, when you're no longer in the mentally challenged range of the intelligence spectrum, you can come back and make actual arguments.

You really don't like anyone even looking at you I see.  No wonder why you won't deem heavy handed defensiveness as a scumtell.  You decided to use it.

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Wait so I'm scum until he comes back?

Jim could be scum or town.  When he comes to respond I'll find out.  You look a good deal like scum.  I'm after you now.  There's more than one dopp out there after all.

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Hmm, 'do what I say or stay out of my way'.  Funny.  I left you be on him and you drop your pressure like a broken balloon (so you WERE hunting him now, and you weren't joking?  So you didn't lie in Day 1.. only lied in Day 2?)
Yep.


Next argument, try destroying my points.  Trying to attack the person while ruining your own argument doesn't help you.

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Yep. I don't active lurk. I see who does what and analyze them. I do that in different ways. You can go suck a lemon soon.

So how did you come across Jim being true blue Town based on one scumtell and his day 1 reaction?  There doesn't seem to be much to show him as pro-town.

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Nope, it was a terrible argument. I like to see who jumps with me when I hop off bridges.

Another one you and Jim keep throwing out.  The problem is that I'm basing my attacks on my own arguments.  I left your findings for you to follow up on.

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It's killing a scumhunt to see who's too lazy to actually analyze an argument to see if it's valid or strong? Maybe it's also killing a scumhunt to see who follows you for no reason. Oh, I've got a good one! It's killing a scumhunt to jump on crappy reasons to vote for someone.

It's a good way to avoid actually having to scumhunt yourself and end up flinging around scumtells.  It's a way to protect others and weaken the town further and further.  It's also a touch of overreaction since I'm still pressure voting him to get a read on him, not pushing for a lynch yet as you seem afraid of.

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Yep. It is crap. You should probably just ask him to answer the questions.

If you're referring to the accusations I placed in Day 2, I already voiced them directly in the last post directed at him

If you mean the 'question' I refer to that started it all then its a sign you aren't even reading my posts.  He ANSWERED that one already.  One of the issues now is why it took until Day 2 for him to do it and why he kept saying I never gave him a question in the first place.

If you're going to debate my points against Jim, at least figure out WHAT my points are beforehand.

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And no. I have no clue whether you're scum or not. I've only seen you as town, and hence have no idea if you're really this stupid as scum. I HAVE seen you be this stupid before as town though, which leaves me with only bemusement at your complete lack of logical and critical thinking skills.

"Your town, but if you keep attacking me or Jim then you must be scum."  Why am I getting this from BOTH of you btw?  It's ugly when he does it, and it doesn't look any better coming from you.
Wanna know why I say that? Because you're just jumping on everyone that attacks YOU! Isn't that part of your argument against Jim? Oh no! Full circle. That must make you scum as well!

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It wasn't a joke. I wanted to make an argument and see who jumped on it. It was an incredibly vague and pointless argument that I could do against everyone. I could do it against you! If you want. Any defense you make against it could be considered scummy by me simply saying you're over-explaining or you're too vague or you're passive or you're aggressive or just about anything!

"I took all of Jim's posts, including his scumtells, and set it up so that no one can use it in an argument."  Combined with "I find your argument null and void.  Go away or I'll name you scum.."
Nah, I don't name people scum like that. I name stupid people like that. Being a moron and being mafia aren't the same thing. Do you need me to explain that to you in little itty-bitty words?

You claim to have been pressuring Jim earlier.  Before then, you claim it was just a joke.  Now you claim it was a trap.  Your story switches by the paragraph in an attempt to explain yourself and its peppered with plenty of vague threats of me being lynched for it.  You aren't even trying to see if I'm scum.  You're just trying to get me to stop. 
... Yeah, I am. You're a grade-A detective! I AM trying to get you to stop. Because you're wasting everyone valuable time (Maybe yours isn't) by going after stupid things. You get a real reason and I wouldn't have to berate you for your ignorance. It's insulting to me to have to do this constantly.

Once the petty insults are taken out, all that's left is story flexing, scumhunt killing, and fearmongering.  Contrary to your desires, I'll find out the truth about Jim.  For now, it looks like I found my first scum.
You'll find out the truth? Okay! Either you haven't been listening or you're a moron. I think he's town. You found nothing. Holy crap, I can't believe a majority of the things you say.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #304 on: December 09, 2009, 03:42:13 pm »

It appears that I have a powerful advocate in webadict, at least for the moment. Not to suggest that I'll be a coward and hide behind webadict's defense of me, I'll answer your questions, dakarian.

...After I finish all my lab reports.

This is why I requested a day extension, after all. I should be back around 4:00ish or 5:00ish MST to answer questions.

Yes, frustrating, but deal with it.

I'll have a giant wall of text with lots of questions and answers, promises.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #305 on: December 09, 2009, 06:21:27 pm »

Ok, seriously webadict, are you going to actually respond to Dak's posts, or are you just going to keep spouting crap like this?

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You'll find out the truth? Okay! Either you haven't been listening or you're a moron. I think he's town. You found nothing. Holy crap, I can't believe a majority of the things you say.

Because while i hate to bandwagon, and i think Kashykk needs some serious prodding since he's currently lurking his ass off, your posts are completely nonsensical and full of ass at the moment.

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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #306 on: December 09, 2009, 06:32:00 pm »

Alright, time to answer some questions.

Spoiler: Dear dakarian, (click to show/hide)

Time for some questions.

ToonyMan: You're a replacement, so I'm going to ask you a few questions to get a grip on where you stand.

In this post, you stated who you thought were the scum. Can you explain your reasoning for each of your picks?

A_Fey_Dwarf: where did you go? I voted for you and you vanished. You're not scared to come out and face the scrutiny, are you?

Frelock: we haven't heard from you in a while. Give us some of your thoughts.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #307 on: December 09, 2009, 06:43:46 pm »

ToonyMan: You're a replacement, so I'm going to ask you a few questions to get a grip on where you stand.

In this post, you stated who you thought were the scum. Can you explain your reasoning for each of your picks?

Alright.

Neruz - Scum covering himself over the Org thing.  I'm thinking around 80% scum.
Leafsnail - Scum getting the easy lynch on Neruz.  Around 99% sure.  He did switch to Webadict a little while ago, but I think that's a cover.
Webadict - I was saying mostly because he killed me earlier on last game AKA joke, but right now Webadict looks like he doesn't care who is lynched.  85%.
A_Fey_Dwarf - Spewing around lots of WIFOM, but plenty of town do that.  :-P  50%.
Jim - Being a bit too defensive, but pretty on the aggressive side as well now.  50%.

Or....

In this order from most to least:
Leafsnail
Webadict
Neruz
AFD/Jim

[OOC]  This is my third replacement game so far, I've had a 1-1 win/lose ratio so far, let's see what I get this game.  :-D
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« Reply #308 on: December 09, 2009, 08:29:10 pm »

Why would the scum randomly choose who to kill when there is a whole pile of WIFOM to stir up? Of course the dopps killed Janus for a reason, why would they not? It is in the towns interest to analyse the night kill and this analysis along with what people say should be what controls the lynch.
As for the side note, you would like to know who did what? Doesn't make sense...
Wouldn't the possibility of WIFOM therefore conclude that, perhaps, whatever conclusion you come to is what the scum wanted you to come to and therefore is basically like playing a guessing game. Perhaps you'll need more than one explanation, such as perhaps they ARE trying to frame someone with the exact choice of kill that was chosen.

Ever thought about that one?

Hmm, well I had assumed it because it made sense to me. The dopps could be setting Jim up, so I suppose I had better not use this as reasoning for my vote. I am still suspicious of him, for previous reasons, but shall unvote for now.
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Webadict, why are you now protecting Jim with the many posts recently that are diverting attention away from him? You wanted to lynch him yesterday, could that vote have been a bus vote? Your accusations against Dakarain make no sense to me, again I see you defending Jim by attacking dakarains vote against him.
FoS Webadict

OK, dak;

I was thinking about posting, but I couldn't get my head round what was going on... I'm considering something, but I need to think about it more...
What is this post? This post is a filler. It is a scum saying, oh look I'm still here, I'll contribute later. All your previous posts are void of original content, you  bandwagoned against foreksaken, your reasoning? The same that Neruz made.
Vote ExKirby,
If you can make some original observations that we are able to analyze, maybe I will unvote. But for now you are two scummy.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #309 on: December 09, 2009, 08:31:50 pm »

The Whiteboard
A_Fey_Dwarf: Jim Groovester, webadict
ExKirby: A_Fey_Dwarf
Kashyyk: MagmaDeath, Neruz
Leafsnail: ToonyMan
Neruz: RedWarrior0, forsaken1111
webadict: Leafsnail, dakarian




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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #310 on: December 09, 2009, 09:31:42 pm »

I did, if indirectly. I asked you about what you thought of webadict's vote. You response wasn't really all that revealing, but it wasn't particularly suspicious on its own. It ultimately didn't amount to all that much, so I decided not to question you on the matter.

Besides, I like approaching people I find mildly suspicious obliquely before directly.

Meh.  That still sounds soft handled.  If you suspect then you keep to keep on until you have a read on them.  Null Tells mean "Keep doing what you are doing now" until you know you can't get anything else out of them.

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Yes, well, like I said. It really didn't amount to much. Until you voted for me. Defending webadict from poorly reasoned votes + casting a vote on whom webadict told you = pretty suspicious looking behavior. I didn't have time to ask you any questions about it on Day 1, so I did on Day 2.

The first vote WAS a Null Tell.  He looked like he was trying to goad you into an answer.  What's more, it was a RandomVote to boot.  Web needs a day or two to be readable. 

As for my attack after his post, his post prompted me to do a scan.  I spotted the question, so I pressure voted and asked about it.  I then get an attack in response without an answer.  That just looks ugly.

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No, not really. Are you saying that the people voting for me are bad places to begin scumhunting, especially when their votes are, in my opinion, poorly reasoned?

When it leads you to ignore a question based on that scumhunting, then wonder why you are getting slammed for it then, yes, that's not a good place to begin scumhunting.  A ton of my attack on you would've been dealt with if you JUST answered the question. 

I also dislike getting my arguments dismissed.  I want answers, not "meh, just shut up."

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Further, webadict didn't begin the day voting for me. He also seemed to have forgotten his insanity, and was acting in a town-like manner. It also would have been suspicious of me to ponder why people are not voting for me, and I'm certain webadict would've jumped down my throat for it. So, let bygones be bygones, and let sleeping dragons lie.

A person that had a strong attack on you that just forgets about it later is NOT being town-like.  Townies don't know what you are.  Scum know if you are town or not.  Townies wonder "Are you scum?" and try to find out.  Scum say "I know you're town." because they KNOW. 

Btw, that's self-defense talk there with that "well, web has left me alone, I don't want him to come back on me so I'll leave him alone."  That's NOT pretty.

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You were asking the wrong person the questions.

You should've been asking webadict why he was making mountains out of molehills. You should've been pondering the reasons he was voting for me before you decided to cast your vote against me.

That's what I meant by "no questions asked".
THAT'S what you meant?  MEH!   

I don't like breaking a scumhunt.  It lets me read both the attacked and the attacker.  Note that I left his accusations for him to handle (and, apparently ignore and now try to backpedal out of) while I found one of my own. 

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I push for as long as I need to to get a read.  Finally, though, I have one.

And meh is the answer.  You have a reason for what you were doing, and, no you didn't lie.  I don't like the defensiveness, though.  The worst of the accusations, though, are removed.  We'll see how things go as time goes on.

Meanwhile, I wait for Web to answer.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #311 on: December 09, 2009, 10:07:41 pm »

I am also interested in web's answers. I'm glad toony finally answered me, and his reasoning is surprisingly sound for toony. This actually makes me slightly suspicious, as usually he just tunnels.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #312 on: December 09, 2009, 10:10:13 pm »

1.  You asked a question?

2.  I AM A TUNNEL MACHINE.  *vrroooooooomm*
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #313 on: December 09, 2009, 10:16:01 pm »

1.  You asked a question?

Yeah, and you gave a nonanswer at first. Then when someone else asked you again you answered.

I'd also like to know why toony things webadict is a dopp.

I read through this and that's who I think.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 12 - Day 2
« Reply #314 on: December 09, 2009, 10:51:45 pm »

Unvote.

Webadict... what the fuck... are you doing?  Were you trying to scumhunt or not?  As far as I can tell, you're not actually answering any of dakarian's points, but just saying they're stupid insulting him.  Christ, you're gonna insult me now for voting you.  But I don't care.  I want to see if we can get a serious response out of you.

Questions:
1. Do you think dakarian's scum or not?
2. If not, why are you getting so angry?
3. Why are you getting massively overdefensive over a single vote, something that you criticize so much in others?
4. What makes you so sure Jim is town?
Nah, insulting you would be like kicking a puppy down a flight of stairs: Disturbingly entertaining but unproductive (I mean, I'll probably have to clean up all the blood.)

1. I don't think he's scum.
2. Because he's a moron and not thinking logically.
3. See 2.
4. ... I feel like he is? Why do you think I'm scum?

Ok, seriously webadict, are you going to actually respond to Dak's posts, or are you just going to keep spouting crap like this?

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You'll find out the truth? Okay! Either you haven't been listening or you're a moron. I think he's town. You found nothing. Holy crap, I can't believe a majority of the things you say.

Because while i hate to bandwagon, and i think Kashykk needs some serious prodding since he's currently lurking his ass off, your posts are completely nonsensical and full of ass at the moment.
Okay. You keep thinking that. Kids say the darndest things.

I am also interested in web's answers. I'm glad toony finally answered me, and his reasoning is surprisingly sound for toony. This actually makes me slightly suspicious, as usually he just tunnels.
Cool. This is a good contentless post.
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