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[Ezk1]

I did too have proplem whit ramps, but it seemed that you couldnt build right next to wagon so i carved ramps litlle further.

No, i didnt over hunt wolfes, they just left, maybe becouse my fortification

[calrogman]

Next time I'll just zip up a whole dwarf fortress folder.

Please don't, the only thing I hate more than platform dependent third party utilities are platform dependent folder zips, if you are going to zip the DF folder in it's entirety, do one for Windows, one for Linux and one for Mac OS X, preferably in archive formats which are natively supported, .tar.gz for Linux, for example.

/semirant

[Squirrelloid]

So, obviously the goal for survival is one year.  Do all the goals have to be completed in that one year?  Or can we play as long as we like until we've completed as many goals as possible?

Edit:
How big does the statue have to be to qualify?  Not that I plan on skimping, but i want to make sure mine's large enough.

[Jim Groovester]

They were goblin caravans, so that much was OK, but they arrived in summer, autumn, and winter. Only the winter one seemed to have much in the way of real goods beyond an anvil, though, or so it seemed by looking at what was left behind.

You shouldn't be getting goblin caravans until the winter, so I think you improperly installed the raws I provided. Having caravans come to bring you goods like meat during the summer would significantly alleviate the difficulty of the challenge.

So, obviously the goal for survival is one year.  Do all the goals have to be completed in that one year?  Or can we play as long as we like until we've completed as many goals as possible?

Edit:
How big does the statue have to be to qualify?  Not that I plan on skimping, but i want to make sure mine's large enough.

The goals must be completed during the given timeframe. I wouldn't let you play on just for points, would I? (No.)

As for the statue, go nuts. It can be as big or as small as you want it, so long as it resembles a figure of some sort. It's only one point, I don't care too much what you do with it.

[barconis]

I'll see if I can puzzle out how to properly install the raws from the wiki. I used the directory in its entirety with none of the original raws in place, a total replacement, but maybe I missed a setting somewhere else. I'm still new enough at this that I've never tried to mod the game on my own, so if there are settings in other folders that weren't included in your zip file then I didn't update them. Either that or I'm using the wrong version of the game -- I'm using the September '08 version, 40d, not one of the OpenGL updates.

[Jim Groovester]

From a fresh DF install,

Delete the raws folder, and then replace it with the folder I provided. Be sure to rename that to "raws".

Hopefully, that should get it to work properly.

[Squirrelloid]

Ok, so i've completed it once.  But i want to try again with a smaller statue to actually be able to finish my statue on time (7 goblins aren't enough to finish a 15-story statue in one year, apparently...)

Some aspects of this challenge are kind of stupid.  For example, the infinite water source requires magma safe materials if its actually going to be infinite, and as far as i can determine there aren't any available.  Now, effectively infinite relative to the number of goblins I have? Done and done.

I haven't seen any hostile forces yet.  (Lots of annoying wolves, but no hostiles). 

Not sure how one is supposed to get a siege in one year, much less defeat one, since sieges don't start until you have 80 population...

[Jim Groovester]

You don't need magma to get infinite water. All you need is a bucket and a pick. I'd tell you more, but I'd be spoiling the solution.

And I've gotten invaders on my goblin embarks as early as summer, so it's definitely possible. It might be that they were attracted by the wealth boost given by the HFS I frequently have on my maps, so maybe they might not come for this challenge.

And I'm making an amendment to one of the Power goals.

It will be changed from:

   4. Capture and tame an animal. (3 points)

To:

   4. Capture an animal. (3 points)

Ice wolves can't be tamed, and it doesn't look like anything else on this glacier can be tamed either. So the taming requirement was removed.

If you'd like, you can add [PET] to the Ice Wolf entry in creature_standard.txt so that you can actually tame them. Taming them is a far simpler matter than capturing them, so I don't think there's much change in the difficulty of the objective.

[nitnatsnoc]

I expect this is a non issue. But is it ok to play this challenge with the Mike Mayday version of DF?

[Squirrelloid]

Ok, I've completed the challenge, and will be claiming 20pts + whatever i might get for the 'present' (assuming its the magma - didn't find anything else interesting).

I've got some in-progress shots on the wiki here: http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:Squirrelloid/Omnifreeze

Will post proof-of-score images when it gets closer to being over.

(Note, something about this map broke visual fortress for me, so my 3D shots will use 3dwarf).

[Magua]

Initial impressions:

Attempt 1: A hunter.  Yeah, ok.  Let's turn that off for now.

That's odd.  I could've sworn I dug up/down stairs through the second layer of ice, but there are no stairs there.  I must have misdesignated.  Bizarre.  *Abort*

Attempt 2: No, I definitely didn't misdesignate.  Odd, but whatever. 

Everyone's inside, got fortifications up.  Man, this is easy. 

Oh, everyone's thirsty.  Ah, no alcohol.  Bloody hell.  Well, no problem.  I'll find the magma I'm sure is here.  Just setup some exploratory mining on the bottom level, see where it is.

Exploratory mining found nothing.  Everyone's dying.  *Abort*

Attempt 3: Ok, so I'll go the cave-in method to get water.  Got to be careful to not expose it to the outside. 

Why these job cancellations?  Oh, I never put in the door to the wall this time because I was too busy with the cave-in, and now wolves are eating everyone.  Everyone's dead.  *Abort*

Attempt 4 is going much better. =P

Also, about the infinite water -- I'm not doing anything special, but my reservoir has stayed at 7/7 for the last two seasons, with plenty of drinking going on...

[barconis]

...That's odd.  I could've sworn I dug up/down stairs through the second layer of ice, but there are no stairs there.  I must have misdesignated.  Bizarre.  *Abort*

Attempt 2: No, I definitely didn't misdesignate.  Odd, but whatever. 
...

I noticed the same thing. I think DF is getting confused at the ice/rock boundary for some reason.

[Jim Groovester]

Also, about the infinite water -- I'm not doing anything special, but my reservoir has stayed at 7/7 for the last two seasons, with plenty of drinking going on...

Apparently the drink task doesn't drain any water when it's done directly from a source of water, instead of through a well, for example. That doesn't count for infinite water, though.

...That's odd.  I could've sworn I dug up/down stairs through the second layer of ice, but there are no stairs there.  I must have misdesignated.  Bizarre.  *Abort*

Attempt 2: No, I definitely didn't misdesignate.  Odd, but whatever. 
...

I noticed the same thing. I think DF is getting confused at the ice/rock boundary for some reason.

I think it's a temperature thing. The stairways are melting. Get around that layer by using ramps.

My attempts at this map typically end in tantrum spirals because of a wolf eating a goblin or some other death. Playing an angry race tends to result in lots of injuries because of fist fights, unfortunately. Keep those goblins happy.

There is indeed magma on this map, and it is indeed my gift to you.

[Magua]

Well, after spending stupid amounts of time trying to get a permanent aboveground pool, I've decided I'm done.

My self-assigned score is 29 out of the possible 34.  Breakdown for those who are curious:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

CORE:
   1. Survive one year. (10 points)

Once you get the water, I found this to be pretty easy, all things considered. 

POWER GOALS:
   1. Survive with all seven founding goblins alive. (5 points)

Also actually pretty easy.  The only goblin who's really at risk is your hunter, and since there's no need to ever actually have the Hunting labor enabled, even that risk is minimal with a little planning.

   2. Devise a source of infinite water. (3 Points)

And it's automatic!

   3. Defeat a siege. (3 points)

Dwarves sieged in the Autumn.  I laughed.  Sadly, their AI is like the humans, which resulted in me having to bait them close to the fortress.

      a. Defeat two sieges. (2 points)

I think you'd have to get the humans to siege in the summer.  That might be possible, but you'd have to know exactly where the magma and the aluminum were.

   4. Capture and tame an animal. (3 points)

5 of them!  One of them is a dwarves' horse, but I think it may be lying about being tame.  Still, got three male wolves and one female wolf, so pups will be about in the springtime...

BLOATS:
   1. Find my gift to you. (1 points)

Exploratory mining FTW!

      a. Deal with the presents in my gift to you. (1 points)
         i. My presents are still wrapped. (2 points)


Not entirely sure what was meant about this; by "still wrapped", I'm assuming it meant "haven't escaped."  If so, done. 

   2. Create an open-air pool of water. (1 points)

I don't believe this is possible -- at least one that'll stay permanently unfrozen.  My attempts have all instead yielded me an infinite water machine.

   3. Capture an invader and devise a clever method of torture. (1 points)

Two dwarves are on a Sisyphean quest to escape from the fortress, but no matter how fast they run, they can't make it across the bridges before they retract.  I imagine them doing this for weeks on end without food or water, and totally exposed to the elements.

      a. Capture two invaders of different races and torture them simultaneously in a clever way. (1 point)

Without two sieges, this means caging a kobold, and I just didn't have the means to do it.

   4. Create an ice statue. (1 point)

Sadly, my artistic skills were diverted into pumping up fortress wealth to get a siege, and then dealing with the perpetual water machine.  I started on one, but it didn't get more than two z-levels.

I did play the map multiple times (that is, starting from scratch each time -- no savescumming).  I kept my exploratory mining the same to avoid having an unfair advantage from earlier playthroughs -- skipping that might've gotten me a summer siege, but it seemed on the verge of cheating, so, I didn't.  Not sure if there's a good way to handle that for future challenges other than honor system.

I've gone so long with not using traps or marksdwarves that the goblins met a bitter end or two before I realized that these were options.  They made things much easier.  For future challenges, I'd recommend bonus points for not using them.

[rosedrake]

sigh... a human siege. all the meaty corpses!

unbutcherable. can i add butcherable to the humans' raws?

i lost the hunter... freaking migrants, shouldn't even care about them, they fare well on their own... goodbye, five points!

but i did get some ice wolves.... but they're not breeding quick enough....