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[Lord Shonus]

There have been finds of butchered animal bones that are strongly linked to Australopithecus, while it is all but certain that many of the tools linked to Homo Habilis were designed exclusively for butchering carrion (relatively few hunting weapons have been recovered, which suggests that H. Habilis was primarily a scavenger). In other words, the earliest creatures we can definitively trace the evolution of Man through were meat eaters, let alone neanderthalensis or Sapiens.

[Wolfhunter107]

Grew out of it over a turkey sandwich, which is hilarious in hindsight because I'm very definitely allergic to chicken and turkey now.

That must have been one hell of a turkey sandwich.

[misko27]

Guys, you're all clearly ignoring important points, like Meat == Delicious. Why can't arguments think about the important issues?

Try looking at the number of fucking health issues caused by consuming meat sometime, might inspire you to pull your head out of your arse.   
Although it probably won't... if you need medical reasons to convince you that consuming meat is a bad thing to begin with, it's probably wedged pretty firmly up there.    

You remind me of a pamphlet vegans gave me once.

It had a list of celebrity backers. One of whom was totally sold on Veganism, another was Bill Clinton who explicitly described it as being required due to some heart condition, and the last was some entitled celebrity singer or whatever who said something like "I get that meat is bad. If you choose to allow yourself to realize this, you'll get it too."

Apparently, I didn't choose to allow myself to realize this since it didn't sell me on veganism.

[hector13]

Dudes, bit of a de-rail, perhaps you should take it elsewhere?

[Rolan7]

I'm still sad that I randomly developed an allergy to clams and oysters.  (Bizarrely and thankfully, somehow not shrimp??)

To the point that I avoided them entirely for 4-5 years, then tried some clam chowder after the November elections.  Tasted great, violent sickness for hours ):

Hell additional sad, my dad kept sneaking various shellfish into my food because he had this idea I wasn't actually allergic, and it was just psychosomatic.  Or towards the end, some weird parasite that happened to be in all these extremely processed canned foods.  So I kept dealing with hours of dry heaving.

Saddest part, that makes me miss my dad a bit.  Not that he's gone, I just got this crazy idea that maybe it wasn't a healthy situation.
He really cares, though.

[Descan]

I dunno about the lot of them, but I don't think they are trying to argue that Humans Naturally Eat Meat Therefore You're Wrong To Not

Just that you're, like, incorrect about a factual statement about human biology. There are plenty of arguments for vegetarianism and against eating meat that you don't need to delve into outright incorrect statements; Hell, if you want more people forgoing meat, you should stay away from saying that. They'll see you're wrong about that one thing, think you're probably wrong about the rest of it too, and ignore ya.

[mastahcheese]

Can we go back to the discussion on making human skin and cow meat from spinach?
I want to become a pod-person already and eat pod-meat so that I can see how many people I offend.

[ChairmanPoo]

Grasshopper, where do you think the B12 from B12 supplements comes from?

Btw: I've refrained from pointing this out with my vegan cousin because she follows weird enough diets by default anyway. I dont want her to stop taking the supplements and run into deficiency

[Reelya]

Try looking at the number of fucking health issues caused by consuming meat sometime, might inspire you to pull your head out of your arse.   
Although it probably won't... if you need medical reasons to convince you that consuming meat is a bad thing to begin with, it's probably wedged pretty firmly up there.    

Well there was a big study of cancer and less meat wasn't always associated with less of that.

Here's the guardian's headline. Note that the fine-print tells a different story to the headline:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/jul/01/vegetarians-blood-cancer-diet-risk
"Headline: Vegetarians less likely to develop cancer than meat eaters, says study "

Today's findings were based on a study of 61,566 people who scientists followed over 12 years. During this time, it was found that 6.8% of meat eaters (2,204 of 32,403), 4.0% of vegetarians (829 of 20,601) and 3.7% of people who ate fish but no meat (317 of 8,562) were diagnosed with cancer.

They declined to mention that eating fish lowers the chance even more.

LA Time at least put the important  facts in the headline
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-vegetarian-diet-fish-colorectal-cancer-20150309-story.html

Headline: Vegetarians who ate fish had lowest colorectal cancer risk, study says

By far, the lowest incidence of colorectal cancers was seen in pesco-vegetarians, people who eat fish at least once a month but eschew all other types of meat. Compared to omnivores, pesco-vegetarians were 43% less likely to be diagnosed with these cancers during the course of the study.

Lacto-ovo vegetarians (who eat eggs and dairy foods but not fish or other meats) came in second, with an 18% reduced incidence of colorectal cancer. They were followed closely by vegans (who don’t eat eggs, dairy products or any kind of meat), who were 16% less likely to get a colorectal cancer diagnosis.

LA Times therefore reported which diets were the safest instead of trying to score points for their favorite diet as Guardian's headline did, in a highly misleading way. If you eat meat in the form of fish, you're massively less likely to get bowel cancer than vegetarians, and if you add eggs and dairy, you're safer than a pure vegan.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/vegetarian-diet-linked-to-lower-colon-cancer-risk-201503117785

Those who ate a vegetarian diet had a 22% lower risk of colorectal cancer than those who weren’t vegetarians. Among those who ate a vegetarian diet that included fish, the reduction in risk was even greater — 43%.

In other words, getting rid of meat cuts your risk by 20%, while changing to other types of meat reduces your risk by 40%. By being adamant in pushing a specific diet, rather than highlighting the one that had the best data supporting it, the Guardian is implicit in dooming a ton more people to disease than is absolutely necessary.

[WillowLuman]

I just wish people wouldn't be so judgemental about what other people choose to eat.

Spoiler: pointed (click to show/hide)

Or drink. You're not a puritanical busybody for forgoing alcohol, and you're not an alcoholic for drinking in reasonable amounts.

[Rose]

I don't eat meat because I wasn't raised eating it and therefore find it digusting.

[Reelya]

We're going to surreptitiously insert trace amounts of meat into your food, and increase that over time. Before you know it you'll wonder how you lived without it.

[scriver]

As far as I know the people who live the longest are peoples who generally consume mainly seafood, both plant life, fish, and shellfish. I also remember how studies of Swedish health history have found that in times of poor economy when livestock food isn't as available there's noticeable declines in things like heart diseases and such, an explanation for which might be that during such times Swedes switched to eating more of the cheaper meats, like fish and other seafood. When the bad periods ended and people started eating lots of beef and pork again, the disease rates rose again.

By the way, something I'm interesting in knowing about, how do the veggies of bay12 feel about insects as a food source?

[martinuzz]

The last oldest lady in the world that died age 123 last month, never ate anything but eggs, and cookies. No seafood.

Not to say that eating some seafood every once in a while isn't healthy. Too much though definitly is not healthy, you will accumulate too high a dose of heavy metals and other toxins.

[scriver]

Yeah the incident of one person is pretty much statistically insignificant when compared to averages of populations.

Those heavy metals are also not generally naturally occurring in such large amounts but is a result of human pollution of the seas.