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[LordSlowpoke]

The lack of context a new page provides made me believe that it has just now become considered what it actually is in the US. Which made me sad. Learning that it isn't so didn't make me any less sad.

[Ogdibus]

What's odd and depressing to me, is that there are many people that devote their lives to advancing this stuff, but their successes aren't really recognized publicly, and the advancements just sort of slip in, seeming as if they were always there, while the people that worked for them remain marginalized and are still regarded as crazy.

It's strange that people will not recognize ideas that they agree with if they hear it from the mouth of a "wacko".


Edit:  Yeah, the new page thing is frustrating. x3

[wierd]

It shouldn't be hard for anyone to comprehend. A compulsion, of any kind, to make somebody do something against their will by leveraging some social edict with the implied penalty of ostracism is heinous.

Be it a woman exploiting the shit out of a guy she is just stringing along, "because its all just a game anyway", or a man sexually abusing the woman he is supposed to love, and saying that because they are married such things are beyond question-- both are sick excesses, and both cross the same basic intellectual line.

That being, that using a societal more to force someone to do something for you -- anything at all-- is inexcusably sick. Doubly so, when there is a pretext that one of the persons loves the other.  "If you loved me, you do this."

Given that it is still very much standard practice in US courts for women to pwn the shit out of their male lovers in basically any dispute in which satelite photographs and private investigators with close up telephoto pictures and forensic evidence clearly demonstrating the man's case aren't present, that inch is a token gesture at best.  A very promising one, but equality is still a very long way off. 

Personally, I love that women fought for the right to serve in the military.  I am sickened that they don't have the same zeal for demanding selective service though. It is hypocrisy to claim to aim for equality, then purposefully stop short of the line.  Arguments about "for the children" are arguments for women to be objects of reproductive notion; either you want equality, or you don't. Equal treatment in all things precludes the notion of preferential treatment, in any one thing. They are mutually exclusive.

Until we as a species truly embrace that, and continue to cling to tired and worn petards about "different but equal" that include lists of preferrential treatments for one or the other for compromises, we will forever fall short of the goal.

The wheel will turn, and the stink will stay the same: Men do X, Women do Y.

We are PEOPLE.  That is what is important.

[Max White]

I'm thinking of breaking up with my partner...
We haven't been going out all that long, though I have become very attached to him and he does make me happy and I don't really want to leave him, but he did something I'm certainly not comfortable with and not exactly sure what I'm meant to do right now. Tough spot, relationships are hard, fuck this.

[kaijyuu]

Talk to him about it. That's what you're meant to do about it. If you can't resolve it after that, then you consider more serious options.

[Max White]

Yea, I guess that would be the sensible thing to do. Although he can guilt trip me into anything, so it will be interesting to see if I can put my foot down... Also, and I don't want anybody to take this the wrong way because it is nowhere near as bad as it sounds, but I do feel somewhat intimidated by him right now. Maybe I will feel better about negotiations tomorrow.

[misko27]

Gender, gender roles, social programming, and sexuality in general have been a festering sore on the human race for at least 2000 years that I know of.
...
I agree, it certainly is a thing to be sad about. 2000 years, at least, and we haven't gained even an inch of progress.

Dear lord man, if women in legal subservience to women equal under the law is not even an inch, what would a foot be? I really want to know, because I cannot even conceive. Also, I could go on about how being equal doesn't mean being forced to do what everyone else does, but I'm tired.

[Skyrunner]

Still waiting for motivation to return :C

[kaian-a-coel]

Well, about that omegle stuff... It's kind of nice that it sparked a debate on gender role on society, but whent I said "I wanna be a girl so people talk nice to me like that", I was specifically refering to the flirtatious part.

I didn't need to pretend to be a girl to have about half a dozen conversation about all kind of stuff, including Void Metastability Events.

But this guy more or less tried to get into my pants, and as a guy I'm too straight to not be weirded out (and take notes). Reason for which I sort of wish I was not lying, so that conversation wouldn't be gross or makes me feel guilty.
I don't know how to write this without sounding gay as hell :/

[Descan]

Hell is red, not pink. :v

[Gamerlord]

Yea, I guess that would be the sensible thing to do. Although he can guilt trip me into anything, so it will be interesting to see if I can put my foot down... Also, and I don't want anybody to take this the wrong way because it is nowhere near as bad as it sounds, but I do feel somewhat intimidated by him right now. Maybe I will feel better about negotiations tomorrow.

Get a mutual friend or two to mediate. Might help with the guilt tripping.

[MaximumZero]

-snip-

So, you want a woman to step up to you and initiate flirting, unless I'm reading you wrong?

[SalmonGod]

Pipes may be freezing up... I haven't seen this problem since I was 10 years old.

It's good that I'm working from home, because I don't know if I'd be able to take a shower.

[Tiruin]

Still waiting for motivation to return :C

I believe you should do something other than just waiting for it to fly by. :/

Edit:

Well, about that omegle stuff... It's kind of nice that it sparked a debate on gender role on society, but whent I said "I wanna be a girl so people talk nice to me like that", I was specifically refering to the flirtatious part.

I didn't need to pretend to be a girl to have about half a dozen conversation about all kind of stuff, including Void Metastability Events.

But this guy more or less tried to get into my pants, and as a guy I'm too straight to not be weirded out (and take notes). Reason for which I sort of wish I was not lying, so that conversation wouldn't be gross or makes me feel guilty.
I don't know how to write this without sounding gay as hell :/

Ehh? Whoever presumed you were like that? >_>

Stoopid labels and their abuse.

[GiglameshDespair]

I'm thinking of breaking up with my partner...
We haven't been going out all that long, though I have become very attached to him and he does make me happy and I don't really want to leave him, but he did something I'm certainly not comfortable with and not exactly sure what I'm meant to do right now. Tough spot, relationships are hard, fuck this.

Talk to him about it. That's what you're meant to do about it. If you can't resolve it after that, then you consider more serious options.

+1
In  my recent rocky patch with my lady, it was solved by talking. The fundamental part of a relationship is communication.