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[Cthulhu]

Yay for abusive parents, why is this kind crap so common these days? Is it just because I didn't notice it's always been this common? or something new?

It's always been common.  What constitutes abuse has changed (My mom had to go cut her own whippin' stick off the tree in the back yard, and if it wasn't spry enough her dad would go and pick one, no one considered that abuse, it was just discipline) and you hear about it more.

And Armok, please don't ask me to tell my grandpa anything for you, I won't.

[Vector]

Yay for abusive parents, why is this kind crap so common these days? Is it just because I didn't notice it's always been this common? or something new?

Children are extremely annoying.  I know that I'm probably not going to have any because I'm such an angry/violent person, and if I did consider having some then I'd go get help with those issues first. 

The thing is, everything she says and does makes sense when looked at through the right lens.  She's had a hard life, and she really doesn't deserve a terrible daughter like me to spend her days with.  I understand why she sees my problems and wants me to "just get over them," because in some way, that is the right answer.  I understand why she would occasionally characterize me as "retarded," because I have a lot of trouble figuring out some simple things you'd think I could just do easily.  It makes sense to tell an elementary school student that she needs to worry about her figure/that she's too butch/etc., given the speed at which an abrasive child can turn into an abrasive adult.  I understand why she calls me abusive--she's lonely and needs someone to save her, and I'm sure it hurts when she realizes it's not going to be me.

In my experience, I would have never considered the above things "abuse."  Sometimes parents do things that hurt or are scary.  We wouldn't consider such things abusive in other people--just "demeaning" or "irritating" or "jerkish," but we have different standards for parents.  We expect them to be inhumanly good in the wake of a million impossible situations, and sometimes that's just not going to happen--and then we call it abuse.

I don't know where I'm going with this.  I hate the way she makes me feel, but I know I'm a really hard person to get along with, so in some way I feel like I'm getting my just desserts.

[Armok]

Do you hear yourself? She's repeated her lies and delusions to you she has almost made you believe them. Her behaviour is extremely selfish and downright retarded. She is projecting herself on others and have way unrealistic expectations. You are a good person and should not have to live with that, now go tell her that SHE is the one who have to get over it, and realize not all people are identical in their capabilities!

Her behaviour is inexcusable, stop making excuses for her. Now go tell her to change and show you some damned respect, or else...

[Jackrabbit]

Real life/where things aren't black and white/even if Armok thinks they are/yeaaaaaah.

Also, It is a sad day indeed.

[Gunner-Chan]

Armok, shut the hell up. You barely know how to handle your life as it is, don't go making demands into situations you know a lot less than you think you do.

And even then you're only doing this because Vector is a woman. Say what you want but you know it's true.

Don't hate yourself over it though Vector. We all don't get along with our parents, they can be jerks but... Well people are people.

[sonerohi]

Armok, shut the hell up. You barely know how to handle your life as it is, don't go making demands into situations you know a lot less than you think you do.

And even then you're only doing this because Vector is a woman. Say what you want but you know it's true.

I would just like the record to state that he doesn't, at all.


Anywhoo, sad because my whole right side field of vision is all shaky and blurred, with bright spots and all. Need to go to the eye doctor and the regular doctor, because it happened after a friend tried to shut me locker for me and smashed my head with it on accident.

[ToonyMan]

Let's all stomp on Armok, that sounds fun.   

I think it would be best if everybody stopped attacking each other.

[Armok]

WTF? Why is everyone hating me all of a sudden?

By the way, the reason I can't handle my own life is a specific handicap, the kind of high-level, abstract advice I'm giving here is not affected by that. I have pretty damn good phsycology grades, and vectors mum looks like almost a textbook case.

And WTF? Why whould you get the idea I considered anything black and white? And why the F*** is peaple acusing me of sexism?

I'm just trying to ****** help.

[sonerohi]

It wasn't meant as a put down, although the wording really does not even give an inkling towards that. Anyways, disregarding real life: it is advice on the Internet, everyone knows the standard response.

And I really can't be critical towards anyone here, especially Armok. Everyone in general because I don't know the full extent of conditions IRL for you guys so I don't know what is behind your posts. Armok because I have a 'label' for some social disorder, and I understand some of his difficulties faced just by being diagnosed, even if he has worked around the symptoms and effects (which, IIRC, he was working with a specialist last time he told us about this).

[Cthulhu]

By the way, the reason I can't handle my own life is a specific handicap, the kind of high-level, abstract advice I'm giving here is not affected by that. I have pretty damn good phsycology grades, and vectors mum looks like almost a textbook case.

No.

First of all, telling Vector how her family issues should be dealt with is not "high level abstract advice," it's pretty concrete stuff.

Also, it totally 100% is affected by your issues.  I don't tell Toady how to code, because I can't code.  Don't tell Vector how to handle her life, because you can't handle your own.

[Armok]

There is exactly one problem in my life that I can't handle. Vector dosn't have that one. And to me, it seems pretty damn abstract, I basically am acting as a slightly more advanced version of ELIZA.

[Creaca]

If Cthulhu wasn't here to keep Armoks Craziness in check, I'm sure we'd have Armok leading the internet equivelent of a Motorcycling gang of Raiders throughout our forums.

...Although, in retrospect...

[Cthulhu]

You are a good person and should not have to live with that, now go tell her that SHE is the one who have to get over it, and realize not all people are identical in their capabilities!

Her behaviour is inexcusable, stop making excuses for her. Now go tell her to change and show you some damned respect, or else...

Sounds pretty concrete.  Eliza just rephrased what you said into a question.

[sonerohi]

We need some Nobility up in here to referee this.

[Cthulhu]

There's no need for moderation.  The situation is well under control.

Moderation is needed when things spiral into an emotional brawl, like the 170 days thread.