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Author Topic: LCS 4.00.5a Download - Now With 100% More Classic Mode  (Read 76192 times)

Jonathan S. Fox

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Re: LCS 4.00.5a Download - Now With 100% More Classic Mode
« Reply #390 on: November 26, 2009, 10:32:55 pm »

The LCS manual is already based on the original Oubliette manual, actually.
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« Reply #391 on: November 29, 2009, 01:45:39 am »

Hmm, a national terror alert level would be cool.
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« Reply #392 on: November 29, 2009, 03:06:17 pm »

The LCS manual is already based on the original Oubliette manual, actually.

I know, that's why I want the original Oubliette manual to reference.  I'd hate to edit the manual and mess up the tone.

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« Reply #393 on: November 29, 2009, 04:21:36 pm »

I don't worry too much about that myself, for the simple reason that it's a restraint that doesn't improve the experience most people have with the game, assuming as I do that most players haven't actually played Oubliette. This is actually one of the places where I very consciously have broken with the original approach to the game.
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Re: LCS 4.00.5a Download - Now With 100% More Classic Mode
« Reply #394 on: November 29, 2009, 04:35:59 pm »

Anyone know of any Linux software that supports .cpc images?
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« Reply #395 on: December 03, 2009, 10:22:32 am »

Or could help me develop one?
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« Reply #396 on: December 03, 2009, 03:05:57 pm »

I'm not convinced the .cpc and .cmv files LCS uses even are a standard file type. The only .cpc and .cmv I was able to find are a proprietary compressed image type and a completely unrelated Corel movie file format.

I once, in my madness early on, hacked together the Liberal Guardian newspaper image in notepad, and I had to learn the file format to do that. LCS's art files for .cpc and .cmv are almost identical in format, are uncompressed, and use literal ASCII codes. They are basically very simple console bitmaps, with support for multiple images of identical dimensions per file.

It would probably take me no more than a couple days to build a nice editor for either, using the curses library, if I was uninterrupted. On the other hand, Tarn Adams may have one already, if I'm correct about it being a custom file format. I've actually never asked.

Edit: There should be some documentation for the image and movie file formats on SVN that you could use to develop an editor, and the code for reading them is already in the game, so you could look at that too.
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« Reply #397 on: December 03, 2009, 04:55:25 pm »

I'm not convinced the .cpc and .cmv files LCS uses even are a standard file type. The only .cpc and .cmv I was able to find are a proprietary compressed image type and a completely unrelated Corel movie file format.

I once, in my madness early on, hacked together the Liberal Guardian newspaper image in notepad, and I had to learn the file format to do that. LCS's art files for .cpc and .cmv are almost identical in format, are uncompressed, and use literal ASCII codes. They are basically very simple console bitmaps, with support for multiple images of identical dimensions per file.

It would probably take me no more than a couple days to build a nice editor for either, using the curses library, if I was uninterrupted. On the other hand, Tarn Adams may have one already, if I'm correct about it being a custom file format. I've actually never asked.

Edit: There should be some documentation for the image and movie file formats on SVN that you could use to develop an editor, and the code for reading them is already in the game, so you could look at that too.
Wait, there's documentation for the cmv files too?
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« Reply #398 on: December 03, 2009, 09:31:52 pm »

Maybe not? Maybe I just imagined that I looked at them and they were similar in format to the .cpc files. It was a long time ago. Even if I didn't look at them, they're probably virtually identical if not completely so; even the .cpc files have multiple "frames", they just use them to represent separate images.

Along with my suspicion that this is a custom file format, my guess is that .cpc stands for "curses/console pic" and .cmv stands for "curses/console movie".
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« Reply #399 on: December 03, 2009, 09:37:38 pm »

Maybe not? Maybe I just imagined that I looked at them and they were similar in format to the .cpc files. It was a long time ago. Even if I didn't look at them, they're probably virtually identical if not completely so; even the .cpc files have multiple "frames", they just use them to represent separate images.

Along with my suspicion that this is a custom file format, my guess is that .cpc stands for "curses/console pic" and .cmv stands for "curses/console movie".
Hmm, well that would make sense. At the moment, I am trying to code something that merely outputs the newspaper pics, without using any LCS includes.
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« Reply #400 on: December 05, 2009, 05:13:43 pm »

Can I just say: I like the censorship of the headlines in C+ free speech.  That convicted [reproduction fiend] ended up [unfortunately harming the police officer].

I'm actually slightly sad now that Free Speech is C.

And what caused Nuclear Power to jump all the way to liberal?  Hmm, odd...
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« Reply #401 on: December 05, 2009, 06:17:25 pm »

Nuclear power jumping to Liberal is a bug caused by someone accidentally using an assignment operator instead of an equality operator, which probably only makes sense if you code in a language that shares some syntax with C.
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« Reply #402 on: December 05, 2009, 06:36:42 pm »

Hmm... ok then.

Is it still the case that only cultural sleepers affect election results?

EDIT: Oh god... I just blew all four limbs off some poor crackhead in the CCS base.  Ugh...
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« Reply #403 on: December 06, 2009, 12:24:53 pm »

Hmm... ok then.

Is it still the case that only cultural sleepers affect election results?

EDIT: Oh god... I just blew all four limbs off some poor crackhead in the CCS base.  Ugh...
Recruit him! Its sooooo hard to get cripples in the squad!
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« Reply #404 on: December 06, 2009, 01:44:17 pm »

Hm. I still really need to release that Stalinist Mod, even as a beta, just to get people's opinions on how the mechanics work. But I'm too busy on other stuff. Gah. LiteralKa, can you compile the Stalinist Mod and release it (just so that I know what to fix for next time), or no?
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