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[Bouchart]

I haven't been paying much attention lately to this, but is the Animal Caretaking skill being lumped together with this new doctor stuff?

[Footkerchief]

I haven't been paying much attention lately to this, but is the Animal Caretaking skill being lumped together with this new doctor stuff?

Undecided as of a few days ago:

Are dwarves with animal care enabled going to be able to splint wardogs' broken legs and so forth, and in general make veterinary care functional?

It's one of those things that is sitting on the put-off pile and I'm not sure what's going to happen.

[smjjames]

I haven't been paying much attention lately to this, but is the Animal Caretaking skill being lumped together with this new doctor stuff?

Nope.

Still though, this traction table thing could easily be a workshop of sorts...

[tfaal]

Ought to be able to fake it in, with a custom workshop/reaction, though.

That's an interesting idea.  You'd need a lot of corpses to see much skill gain though, and it might not work at all, depending on how the reagent syntax interacts with the new corpse objects.

Maybe you could have a "Morgue" workshop, with a "process corpse" reaction to turn a corpse into a cadaver. Cadavers could be used at a custom workshop to train your doctors. This reaction would have a high chance to produce a cadaver when it was done, but wouldn't always do so, creating a constant demand for corpses.

[smjjames]

Why not just use a fresh one? Goblin sieges and ambushes leave plenty of corpses.

Also, a cadaver IS a corpse, I don't think theres much distinction.

[JoshuaFH]

Would a doctor going into a fey mood forcefully drag an injured dwarf into his surgery workshop for a surprise medical visit?

This is an artifact lobotomy, all work is of the highest quality.

[Footkerchief]

I haven't been paying much attention lately to this, but is the Animal Caretaking skill being lumped together with this new doctor stuff?

Nope.

That's not certain -- according to the quote I just posted, it's undecided.

Still though, this traction table thing could easily be a workshop of sorts...

If you mean you could make a custom workshop that requires a traction table, then yes.  But they wouldn't do actual medical work there -- that's hardcoded to be performed in a hospital zone.

[tfaal]

Why not just use a fresh one? Goblin sieges and ambushes leave plenty of corpses.

Also, a cadaver IS a corpse, I don't think theres much distinction.

The distinction is arbitrary, yes, but the main issue is that I don't think reactions can make corpses, and reactions can't require something without destroying it. By have the "process corpse" and "practice surgery" reactions produce a cadaver, you can make them reusable.

[smjjames]

Would a doctor going into a fey mood forcefully drag an injured dwarf into his surgery workshop for a surprise medical visit?

This is an artifact lobotomy, all work is of the highest quality.

I don't think its been said, but the doctor skills probably aren't moodable. However, one does wonder what they will produce when they get hit with a generic craftskill mood.

[Retro]

Why not just use a fresh one? Goblin sieges and ambushes leave plenty of corpses.

Also, a cadaver IS a corpse, I don't think theres much distinction.

The distinction is arbitrary, yes, but the main issue is that I don't think reactions can make corpses, and reactions can't require something without destroying it. By have the "process corpse" and "practice surgery" reactions produce a cadaver, you can make them reusable.

Generally speaking, although a cadaver is a corpse, the former is more often used to describe a corpse mangled or mutilated in some fashion, or rotten much like corpses currently become in some regards. So turning a corpse into a cadaver would make sense to me from a descriptive standpoint.

[smjjames]

One of the caretakers wanted to clean the dwarf off but kept dumping the water next to the dwarf, over and over

I've noticed that when I make a pit/pond designation, dwarves tend to stand one tile diagonally (if they can) and dump the water diagonally from them. In those cases, they are on target nearly all the time. While said behavior works as it should, it sounds like the dwarf in Zachs fort was doing it the same way.

Just an observation.

Greened for attention even though its not a question. Sometimes outside observations can help.

[Name Lips]

I think untrained doctors sound hilarious!

I will re-designate mine if they get too experienced.

Sure, my fortresses might not last long. But I always find the first couple of years the most fun anyway.

[Footkerchief]

One of the caretakers wanted to clean the dwarf off but kept dumping the water next to the dwarf, over and over

I've noticed that when I make a pit/pond designation, dwarves tend to stand one tile diagonally (if they can) and dump the water diagonally from them. In those cases, they are on target nearly all the time. While said behavior works as it should, it sounds like the dwarf in Zachs fort was doing it the same way.

Just an observation.

If you're trying to help Toady fix it, it's already fixed: "One of the caretakers wanted to clean the dwarf off but kept dumping the water next to the dwarf, over and over. Once that was sorted out, surgery began."

[smjjames]

I know he already fixed it, was just giving my insight.......

[madjoe5]

Ought to be able to fake it in, with a custom workshop/reaction, though.

Yea, what's stopping us from making a "medical practice workshop". In it there would be labours such as "Practice Diagnosis" or "Practice Sutricing" that use the respective skill, and consume an unrotted corpse, but produce nothing.

Produce nothing? What a waste of good parts! It should produce the same things as a butcher's shop, except it skills up medical skills instead of Butchering.

I guess you could, but that makes the game much less interesting. I guess there could be a diagnosis training task, such as "examine internal anatomy", which leaves the items from butchery.

I guess it would make more sense to have the practicing on corpses leave lots and lots of chunks, since it wouldn't really make sense to have the items still usable. Such as bones, I would imagine a dwarf breaking and setting them over and over to practice, leaving a patchwork bone not suitable for bolt making.