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[heydude6]

I prefer crawl for its interface and its lack of grinding.

Spoiler: Rant about item destruction and why I play roguelikes (click to show/hide)

As for why I like item destruction, it's mostly due to the reason why I like classic roguelikes in the first place. While most people like them because they are deep games about using clever tactics, I like them because I find them immersive. Only a minority of games out there that require you to keep track of your food in order to prevent your character from starving. Most games just  assume that your character is some perpetual motion machine that doesn't need to eat. (*cough* Skyrim *cough*) While I do understand why games do it from a design perspective, it's just nice to have something to play when you just want to relax and unwind.

Item destruction is another feature that I consider to be immersive. It is totally something that could happen if you were to explore a dungeon. Still, it's quite clear that players like me are a minority. The only reason why I stick to crawl rather than going to a rogue-like that meets my needs is because they don't exist. Or at least they are lacking in some other area. Nethack has a bad interface plus some dumb design decisions, IVAN is poorly balanced, Df adventure mode isn't a dungeon crawler, TOME I just can't  get into. The closest game that I can think of that meets my needs is Cataclysm and I do play it regularly, but it too isn't a dungeon crawler and character creation is a bit tedious and min-maxy.

Any games that I didn't mention I haven't tried.

[flame99]

I think item destruction is fine in theory and works in games like Nethack well enough, but just didn't fit Crawl in the same way. I still miss split damage/accuracy stuff, it lead to cool tradeoffs

[miauw62]

re: immersion, i just think that being a roleplaying game isn't really Crawl's goal, although I can understand where you're coming from. Off the top of my head, Sil seems to put a pretty big focus on staying true to Tolkien's writing, so it's probably pretty RP-y. (although probably lacking some of the humor of crawl)

Hell, a Crawl fork focused on being more RP-y could be interesting, if there's support (but could run the risk of adding too many unfun things, or removing humor for immersion)

[RoguelikeRazuka]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sounds brutal... Or doesn't it? Should I rejoice or lament?

Maybe I should have a break now...



Updated: WOW Trog himself has gifted me an eveningstar of protection just a moment ago... Now I can put the weird club aside for a while and train up my shields skill.

[EnigmaticHat]

I know what you mean.  Last I played, the last level of Snake alone took a flippen century with all the upgraded Naga running around.  Its exciting the first time, maybe even the second or third, but a point it becomes a chore.

Not sure what the alternative is tho, aside from shortening the game somehow.  I think the idea is that since you've invested in this character, you might as well get to have them for a long adventure before one way or the other losing control of them.

[Robsoie]

With the lot of dungeon levels that has been removed, have they rebalanced how much XP a monster gives to the player, or that increase in monster infestation the solution they decided to go with ?

Anyways, i have been running and just lost a mummy wizard in Lair to a damned catoblepas that petrified me surprisingly fast and his death yaks pals killed me then easily.

I went for Gozag that i never used before (due to the food problem that can come with it if you're unlucky with the perma food looting, something mummy do not care about and was then perfect for me to try with Gozag) and it seemed very fun, though the couple of merchant shops i opened weren't having really much in term of useful items, bad luck i guess.

But oh boy, i didn't remembered how slow mummies are to gain skills levels and have their spells more castable, as chances of failure can be a nasty problem , the catoblepas was very happy about that

[ZeroGravitas]

Item destruction is another feature that I consider to be immersive. It is totally something that could happen if you were to explore a dungeon.

wow

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

Gozag's not half bad for normal-hunger races. Just not trolls or shatter-spammers. Usually, the gold you get is more than enough to buy food. I do wish that shops didn't increase in cost over time, though.

[frostshotgg]

Gozag is really really bad on Vampires early and really really good on them later. It's an interesting dynamic.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

I'm not sure if you're trying to refute me. If you are:

Gozag's not half bad for normal-hunger races. Just not trolls or shatter-spammers. Usually, the gold you get is more than enough to buy food. I do wish that shops didn't increase in cost over time, though.

I will admit that I did not specify vampires in "not-normal-hunger-races," but they still are. Sprigs are even super with Gozag.

If you aren't:

Hmm, what about switching to Gozag after an early-game good god, such as Ely? (I like Ely for early game. She gives you piety for not even going out of your way, she has good powers, and she doesn't have very restrictive rules. You can switch to good gods while keeping some piety, any non-evil god without wrath, and her wrath isn't that bad anyway. As one person said, "the wrath is not having ely". Ely is still pretty good in the mid/endgame, IMO, but not quite as good as ones like TSO.

[Robsoie]

After the loss of my mummy wizard, i was wizard-mode testing how Gozag bribes were working on various branches, and i must say Gozag bribe on Vaults:5 is delivering hilarious results.

So in case you're getting Gozag, make sure to keep 3000 gold before entering Vaults:5 , so much fun

[TheDarkStar]

...what happens?

[Robsoie]

A lot of the monsters present will accept the bribe and fight the other half, and many will follow and fight for you.
And in Vaults:5 there are so many monsters that it transform the whole floor into an insane battlefield.

I was surprised to see a normal (not ancient) Lich joining me and destroying 2 black dragons and a few stone giants before falling in friendly fire from other bribed party member

The initial Vaults:5 vault guards ambush is interesting to witness too.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

Haha, I'm stupid. Good gods don't accept Vp.

[Graven]

Sooo

After splatting like 20 OgBes, and dying in Zot on an honestly indecently well-equipped HoBe (armour of the dragon king, +8 Exec Axe, +2 Triple Crossbow), I downloaded the newest trunk and said to myself, let's try a dodgy hybrid melee and 15-rune this! MeSk here we go!

Oh hey is this an Oka altar? Well... Trog's been pathetic with his gifts the last 50 games in a row, let's see how old uncle Oka compares.

Come lair:2 I get my first gift, pretty swiftly considering lair was on D:8, not bad so far Oka old chap.

What is this gift, you ask?

The +16 crystal plate armour of the Eternal Void {rc++}