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[Trapezohedron]

Re:Zero, overhyped trope pile pulling twists at every turn because it can. That and its protagonist never really dies (permanently), due to its premise.

[Reelya]

It's a fun trope, but it ultimately robs the story of Stakes. Even Familiar of Zero has more stakes in the end. Because no rewinds.

[Neonivek]

Could be worse...

Could be Mars Awakens romance where

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

They reverse every single death that has occurred in the series up to a certain point...

Though the ending of the show is REALLY kill happy

also GRRRR Damn you Familiar of Zero!

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Goodness trying to decipher this scene...

This guy is moaning in pain...

So this woman is giving him water, then takes salt and sprinkles it into his mouth, then gives him more water.

Is he dehydrated? That would explain the salt (no really)

Hmm it is Boiled Motherwort Water. He could have stomach cramps and while that can TECHNICALLY be fatal (Bloating can be fatal) the music makes it seem really urgent.

Yet what is the salt for?

NEVERMIND!!! the show answered the question for me... It apparently causes vomiting in that combination.

[Karnewarrior]

Spoiler: Toradora Episode 16-17 (click to show/hide)

Karnewarrior: SoH actually is fun
Karnewarrior: to explore
Sprin: SoH had the Mazda Space Program
Karnewarrior: even as a walking simulator it trumps NMS
Sprin: I mean in SoH you can eat the tutorial
Karnewarrior: I like that the character needs to learn alien languages though
Sprin: how many games let you EAT the tutorial
Karnewarrior: ^Jack O' Nine

Karnewarrior: TAIGA TRUMP

Sprin: Thoes posters
Sprin: Shes going all evil overlord

Sprin: Welp looks like you got booted out of the anime

Karnewarrior: Also
Karnewarrior: If you come a bit closer
Karnewarrior: you can look up my skirt!
Karnewarrior: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sprin: IM IN THE STUDENT COUNCIL NOW

Sprin: SHES CALLING OUT YOUR MANHOOD
Karnewarrior: Baby
Karnewarrior: You can call out my manhood any day

Sprin: Dank memes win all the elections
Karnewarrior: as proven by Donald Duck
Karnewarrior: I mean trump
Karnewarrior: FUCK

Sprin: WELL THEN
Sprin: THAT ESCELATED QUICKLY
Sprin: WAY
Sprin: TO
Karnewarrior: THE WHOLE CLASS JUST SHAT OUT A BRICK WALL
Sprin: PUT HER ON THE SPOT

Sprin: Shes so expelled
Karnewarrior: so
Sprin: Unless Japanese schools are cool with sword fights in the middle of the day
Karnewarrior: did Taiga keep that stick
Karnewarrior: up her ass or something?

Sprin: WOW
Karnewarrior: They are really going at it
Karnewarrior: damn
Sprin: Wow
Sprin: dat cat fight
Sprin: I wish I had a camera
Karnewarrior: That's a real fight
Karnewarrior: I like how they look like they're in a fucking real fight

Karnewarrior: KISS KISS KISS
Karnewarrior: KISS KISS KISS
Karnewarrior: KISS KISS KISS
Karnewarrior: KISS KISS KISS
Karnewarrior: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sprin: that fight was great
Karnewarrior: Yeah, seriously
Karnewarrior: It's refreshing seeing a fight in anime where both girls end up looking decidedly /unsexy/ after the fight
Karnewarrior: I mean both Taiga and Angry Blue looked bruised and fucked up
Sprin: I mean shit they were trying to kill eachother
Sprin: I mean that upercut taiga pulled
Sprin: 0_0

Sprin: Taiga is suspended
Karnewarrior: FROM MY DICK
Sprin: Really
Sprin: thats the best joke you could come up with
Karnewarrior: It's a short joke
Sprin: thats why you don't get dates often
Karnewarrior: I'm so much taller than her she bottoms out before her feet hit the ground
Karnewarrior: thus, suspended
Karnewarrior: WELL FUCK YOU TOO

Karnewarrior: *insane
Sprin: count us down captain gramer nazi
Karnewarrior: ok
Karnewarrior: DREI
Karnewarrior: ZWEI
Karnewarrior: EIN
Karnewarrior: !

Sprin: NEW INTRO
Karnewarrior: SEASON TWO OPENING
Karnewarrior: GLORY TO SEASON TWO
Sprin: ITS WINTER
Sprin: WINTER CAME
Karnewarrior: I'm getting a pretty serious Persona 4 vibe from this intro

Karnewarrior: TAIGA TAKE OFF YOUR CLOTHES
Karnewarrior: DO IT
Karnewarrior: DO IT
Karnewarrior: DO IT
Karnewarrior: I WANT IT

Sprin: Prostration?
Sprin: Im not sure thats legal in public
Karnewarrior: That's not legal anywhere

Karnewarrior: XD
Karnewarrior: GLASSES IS A LOVE GURU
Karnewarrior: Does he have that neat rolly robot pillow?
Sprin: Taiga food face is way too adorable
Karnewarrior: >2000's joke

Sprin: COUPLES ARE WELCOME *shows blue and taiga*
Sprin: I ship it

Karnewarrior: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEs
Karnewarrior: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Sprin: aaaaaaaaand there goes my erection

Sprin: Blue is in my waifu list and I don't know why

Sprin: That bird steals every scene shes in
Karnewarrior: Seizureparrot runs the household

Sprin: OH
Sprin: RYOUJI WILL HOOK UP WITH REDHEAD
Karnewarrior: that's the twist
Karnewarrior: It's not a romance between Taiga and Ryu
Karnewarrior: It's a romance between Taiga and Glasses and Murderface and pinkie!

Also come on guys, Familiar of Zero was pretty decent. Admittedly the fanfiction tends to be better than the show but that seems to be a lot of anime (FROM FAKE DREAMS *cough*)

[Furtuka]

Also come on guys, Familiar of Zero was pretty decent. Admittedly the fanfiction tends to be better than the show but that seems to be a lot of anime (FROM FAKE DREAMS *cough*)

FROM FAKE DREAMS

*twitches*

Nope. Nope NOpe NOPE NOPE NOEPN EOPNE OP NEP EON NEOPE EN POEN EOEPN

[Frumple]

... isn't that a FS/N fic, not a ZnT one? Pretty sure it doesn't cross over, either.

Unless that was the reference being made, I guess. Read like it hadn't changed targets.

Though nah, ZnT had some nice world building and just good enough characterization to act as a hook, but the rest was kinda' sub-par, at best. Shows its LN roots a bit too much, ha.

[Neonivek]

To admit the one and only credit I am going to give ZnT as far as characterization is concerned

Is that when it comes to people with low self-esteem it is kind of accurate... No matter what Zero gets in the anime she always treats it like it is terrible and she is terrible because of it.

She always has a huge inferiority complex no matter the situation.

The problem I have is... She takes it out on other people... and we are meant to like it when she does it.

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Ok I'll give it another credit albeit they did it unintentionally

The male lead is very physically and emotionally abused by the female lead... extensively where he doesn't know what freedoms he will be allowed on a day to day basis. She never treats him like an ordinary human being and enacts punishments on him whether or not he does anything to deserve it.

Yet when he thinks he got away from her... He breaks down and believes he has feelings for her... even though he doesn't understand why.

Which is... Oddly incredibly realistic for someone who is a victim of the kind of abuse he went through... He even changes his personality completely to suit the situation.

It is one of the many reasons why I really don't like this anime... Because the abuse in this anime isn't "Ha ha funny abuse" like most shows...

ZnT's abuse... Is... Abuse... but framed as if you are supposed to laugh. It has a fairly realistic depiction of it...

The kicker? I probably would have liked the anime if they stopped trying to make me like the abuse. In fact I did at first thinking that maybe I was getting the wrong signals...

[Cruxador]

I picked up Re:Zero recently; I had initially disregarded it since it's a "transported to a fantasy realm" and also has pastel hair. But having picked it up, it's honestly phenomenal, at least as much as I've seen so far. The drama is incredibly well done, and the magical situation of the premise has got me actually pondering; it's well executed as a mystery.

It's a fun trope, but it ultimately robs the story of Stakes. Even Familiar of Zero has more stakes in the end. Because no rewinds.

I just watched episode eight and nine, and I strongly disagree with you. Just because there aren't permanent deaths doesn't mean nothing happens. I consider this to be higher stakes for practical purposes than the kind of show that racks up a body count of characters that it never really gets you invested in. And people do die; sure the deaths aren't "real", but none of this is really real.

[Reelya]

It is one of the many reasons why I really don't like this anime... Because the abuse in this anime isn't "Ha ha funny abuse" like most shows...

ZnT's abuse... Is... Abuse... but framed as if you are supposed to laugh. It has a fairly realistic depiction of it...

The kicker? I probably would have liked the anime if they stopped trying to make me like the abuse. In fact I did at first thinking that maybe I was getting the wrong signals...

I recommend checking out the comedy series Working, there's a girl who's very punchy to the MC in that too. It has a completely different spin on the problem that would be interesting to contrast with ZnT.

[IronyOwl]

Which is... Oddly incredibly realistic for someone who is a victim of the kind of abuse he went through... He even changes his personality completely to suit the situation.

Man, that's a way more forgiving explanation than mine, which was that they glued an unrepentant jackass, dickless slave, and noble-hating white knight together into a He-Man villain that changes faces to suit the (narrative's) situation. Seriously, he didn't feel like a single coherent character in the slightest.

[Neonivek]

Which is... Oddly incredibly realistic for someone who is a victim of the kind of abuse he went through... He even changes his personality completely to suit the situation.

Man, that's a way more forgiving explanation than mine, which was that they glued an unrepentant jackass, dickless slave, and noble-hating white knight together into a He-Man villain that changes faces to suit the (narrative's) situation. Seriously, he didn't feel like a single coherent character in the slightest.

Actually that is my "being nice to the show" explanation.

The actual explanation as to why he just suddenly starts being a total dick even though it goes completely against his character... Is because making him "Deserve" it would make it less... abuse and more funny.

it is also why in the second season Zero almost exclusively abuses him through magical blasts of vagueness AND the male lead ups his jerkish behavior to 11.

But lets just say... trying to make an abuse victim seem like they "deserve" it all of a sudden and altering the depiction of the abuse... REALLY didn't endear me...

[KingofstarrySkies]

Think I'm gonna give Chivalry Of A Failed Knight a shot. Can't be worse than Asterisk War.
Wait.
Literally nothing can be worse than Asterisk War.

[Reelya]

Literally nothing can be worse than Asterisk War.

I'll take that bet ...

But surely there are much better things than Chivalry Of A Failed Knight as well that you haven't seen. Don't do it!

[Neonivek]

Literally nothing can be worse than Asterisk War.

I'll take that bet ...

But surely there are much better things than Chivalry Of A Failed Knight as well that you haven't seen. Don't do it!

Trust me the anime hole goes deep my friend

[Flying Dice]

Literally nothing can be worse than Asterisk War.

I'll take that bet ...

But surely there are much better things than Chivalry Of A Failed Knight as well that you haven't seen. Don't do it!

Trust me the anime hole goes deep my friend

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