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[Imp]

Tyed lynch is no kill.  You gonna tie the lynch which is a no kill per OP?

With a plan that results in a town win/scum loss unless scum is one of Tric/Sec?

[Imp]

If it were completely up to me, Secret and I would be the ones waking up tomorrow, but I'm fairly confident that the killer is either Imp or Tric, so I'm willing to let Max take my place.

Jack, I think sof last voted me, please check for accuracy.

[sofanthiel]

Unvote

I'm still good with being the lynch, just fuck you for "planning to hammer".

Why vote for yourself in the first place if you know you're town, Max?  Why such a sudden change of heart (defending it as being purely emotionally motivated doesn't change the fact that you switched what you're voting for mechanically)?

[Imp]

Jack, we do have requests for extend from me, Max, and possibly a third, deep in the thread.  If you choose to allow it.

[Maximum Spin]

Tyed lynch is no kill.  You gonna tie the lynch which is a no kill per OP?

On the contrary, I'm happy to have it not be my problem.

[EuchreJack]

Extend by 1 hour due to error in vote count by mod.

[Imp]

Unvote

I'm still good with being the lynch, just fuck you for "planning to hammer".

Remember that the whole point of this process is to find the person who most wants to be on the survivor list, because that's exactly where scum need to be to survive. Secretdorf is the only one who has never offered a credible alternative.

There's no time to consider this.  Why didn't you argue this earlier?  This doesn't seem town.  If you flip scum, yay.  If not... no time to plan what to do.

Extend by 1 hour due to error in vote count by mod.

Whew, time.

Please, let's talk.

Unvote to prevent accidental hammers

[Imp]

My declaration of plan to hammer is because you voting yourself, with 1 vote on me, one on sof, 2 on you but the 2 is yours, you can last minute switch vote any way you please.  Ensuring a no lynch, ensuring a me or sof  lynch.

I don't trust you at all this game, especially not that much.  You couldn't hammer anyone, but you sure could force a nolynch or a lynch of me or sof.

Sof and I are both set to die N1.  So I would guess Nolynch might be your plan?  As you'd die N2.

But if you're town pulling that crap last minute, then maybe everyone alive votes you.  And scum takes someone else, and town loses.

No.  Heck no. We talk this out like town and we go with the plan.  Most of us have to be town.

Now, discuss, because if Sec is mafia, I don't want us to lose.

[Maximum Spin]

Unvote

I'm still good with being the lynch, just fuck you for "planning to hammer".

Why vote for yourself in the first place if you know you're town, Max?  Why such a sudden change of heart (defending it as being purely emotionally motivated doesn't change the fact that you switched what you're voting for mechanically)?

I don't normally think of "irritation" as an emotion, but I guess it technically is. Anyway, that's the answer in both cases. Like I just said, I'm happy to have it not be my problem.

I was going to say that I'm actually against an extend, but I see it doesn't matter anyway. Jeez, Jack.

There's no time to consider this.  Why didn't you argue this earlier?

I argued it continuously, I just didn't realize until recently that other people didn't find it completely obvious. I first made the point here:

That repeat subtle count 'me among those that live' is pretty distinctive.

You know I've said that less than Secretdorf has, right?

which was two hours ago.

[EuchreJack]

Current Votecount
(1) Imp: sofanthiel
(0) TricMagic:
(1) Maximum Spin: TricMagic
(1) sofanthiel: Secretdorf
(0) Secretdorf:
(0) No Lynch:

Not voting: Maximum Spin, Imp

Three (3) to hammer

Day ends at 8pm EST, approximately 57 minutes from now.

[Maximum Spin]

I feel like I should not have agreed to join this because I should know that I need games where the usual general d1 truculence doesn't risk immediately blowing it.

[Imp]

I'll just end the second-guessing there and say that I'll go with myself+Tricmagic or Imp + Tricmagic.

That can look scummy, but it came after all four of us said we pick Sec to be among the survivors.

And Sec says, 'okay, me and Tric' or 'Imp and Tric'.  Even there not firmly saying 'town me, survivor I should be'.

That can be scum play, yes.

And Sec's made the fewest posts of us all.

But the 'too towny' fallacy is just that.  Sec looks decently town to me in every post.

The second scummiest post Sec's made, to my eyes, you also pointed out, Max, and whole post here:

Either this is Sofanthiel's last ditch effort or they're town and don't mind dying.

If it's the latter, I'd be more inclined to believe Max is mafia because he's the only one to include himself in the survivors. But it might SOMEHOW be Tric. For a 100% win, I'd probably go with myself and Imp but that's not possible because for some reason, everyone else thinks Imp's mafia.

I'll just end the second-guessing there and say that I'll go with myself+Tricmagic or Imp + Tricmagic. Of course, in the end, I will go with the majority. But I'd rather Max wasn't one of the survivors.

What do you say, Max? You were okay with me. Are you okay with Tricmagic?

Basically, if Tric's scum, he gave up on any hopes of winning a while ago. Or so it looks like to me.

I see realistic doubt.  And not playing safe.  Playing safe is siding with someone who others agree with.  Sec says I seem townie, and that's not at all a safe call, safe calls are agreeing with others.  I see independent thought here and genuine evaluation.

I can also see it as manipulation after the fact of being named survivor by all 4 town.  However, I think Sec would still play it safe-ish there.  As scum, Sec doesn't need to care who their town survivor is.  This Sec seems to care.

That said, I can support any 2 very likely town as our survivors.

I do think Sec is very likely town, I am more sure of their townie-ness than I am of any of the rest of you.  I take Tric second safest, sof third, and Max not safe at all.

Do we discuss, or do we go with the previous plan?

[sofanthiel]

My declaration of plan to hammer is because you voting yourself, with 1 vote on me, one on sof, 2 on you but the 2 is yours, you can last minute switch vote any way you please.  Ensuring a no lynch, ensuring a me or sof  lynch.

That would be absolutely great!  Guess who'd get instantly fried by the beams of three laser rifles for such an out-of-nowhere move?  That ploy would guarantee a town win and solve all our ongoing issues because there isn't a chance anyone gets out of that predicament in a trillion years.

[Maximum Spin]

It's like I said earlier:

So let's have everyone post your two preferred survivors not including yourself. The only person who would want to torpedo this operation is the mafia player.

This was the test. Imp sort of unnecessarily complicated this afterward by ATTRIBUTING answers to everyone, preventing me from getting actual answers, but regardless, Secretdorf was really the only one who didn't offer an answer that made sense.

[Maximum Spin]

That would be absolutely great!  Guess who'd get instantly fried by the beams of three laser rifles for such an out-of-nowhere move?  That ploy would guarantee a town win and solve all our ongoing issues because there isn't a chance anyone gets out of that predicament in a trillion years.

I'm pretty sure they're actual rifle rifles. Since the vest is bulletproof.