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[Imp]

This is the closest we get to Tric saying 'let me live to D2'.  It also comes after some volunteering to die.

Tric/Sofanthiel Shoot Imp
Imp/Secret Shoot Sofanthiel

Is this good?

I still don't like Tric's early play.  But Tric's play now is reasonable.

I still like Sec's play.  Sec did suggest, as Max hints, Sec survive, but only after all 4 of the rest of us named Sec as survivor pick.  I don't read scum in Sec still.

Sof said

If it were completely up to me, Secret and I would be the ones waking up tomorrow, but I'm fairly confident that the killer is either Imp or Tric, so I'm willing to let Max take my place.

It's not scummy that sof would support someone else, except, consider who.  My top lynch pick, and one Sec said:

If it's the latter, I'd be more inclined to believe Max is mafia because he's the only one to include himself in the survivors.

So a vote for 'replace me as a survivor with Max' is likely to not be done, thus maybe also subtly supports a sof-self-townclaim.

And with Max voting self, I am more interested in a sof lynch.  It would be great to end this with a full town win.

Wait, so are we definitely 100% lynching Max?  Tric, your desire to stay alive for day 2 is worrisome, to say the least.

Sof, I'm sorta expected to lynch you day 2. If I had to pick two to die, it would be you and Imp. Even if I end up lynched.

Imp doesn't want Max alive, Max is fine with it. You don't want me alive, but who else do you want dead?

If I understand plan, we don't get a D2.

We lynch D1, and plan shoots for N1.  2 die N1, unless we change that plan.  We lynch or shoot scum, or lose.

That said, I am super interested in who else sof wants dead.

Tric, my concerns about Max, and Sec's.  Can you help guide us to understand why you're not concerned about what we are?

[TricMagic]

Sof's instant turn on you early day might be motivated from a mafia perspective. Likewise, yo have good posts.. Problem is it has to be a plan everyone is fine with for it to work. (Removing those who I don't town-read is common sense from my perspective. I'm fine with being lynched, but Imp doesn't want Max alive.)

Ninja.

[Imp]

Wait, so are we definitely 100% lynching Max?  Tric, your desire to stay alive for day 2 is worrisome, to say the least.

And I really want to hear more from sof about where Tric expressed desire to be alive D2.  That matters, can you help me see what you saw?

I re-read and I don't see it.

Even if you're not sure, or it was a mistake, what did you see to make you say that?

[sofanthiel]

It's primarily this, though I may be the only one seeing it in such a radical way due to already being predisposed against Tric for reasons stated earlier.

[TricMagic]

It's important to be clear, for the aforementioned reasons of the dragon.

[sofanthiel]

Guardian dragon

[Maximum Spin]

I think everyone would rather be one of the two survivors than not.

Personally, I don't care who it is anymore, but I'd say it's more likely to be Imp or Secretdorf than Tric.

[sofanthiel]

Then it's settled.

[TricMagic]

So, which firing scheme are we doing then?

[Imp]

It's primarily this, though I may be the only one seeing it in such a radical way due to already being predisposed against Tric for reasons stated earlier.

Okay, saw that link.  Let's check the reasons you stated earlier:

No reasons here

I'm fairly confident that the killer is either Imp or Tric

Discard this one, as the desire's from what's linked

Tric, your desire to stay alive for day 2 is worrisome, to say the least.

This supports Tric

If anything, Tric was the first to propose a strategy, and not a bad one at that!

Okay, this looks like it:

Can you explain why you lean Max more than Tric for survivor, your reasons and reads?

Tric voted me back when he still believed that lynching anyone was a losing move.  Another odd claim is the following:

Also, 1 townie and 1 mafia dead is GREAT Imp. Why are you implyng otherwise? OP says there is 1 mafia, so why do you imply another?

I genuinely don't see where this was ever implied; that entire section looks like a way to subconsciously influence others' views of you, Imp.

The rest is just support and not new specifics

Tric is not too much higher on my list.

Still, I want to hear Tric's answer to your question, as voting me goes against his stated reasoning.

You'll have to get through my vest first, TricMagic!

Okay.  I don't really see Tric trying to be one of the survivors.  Yes, the linked post, but that's after support from me and Sec, and we really do need a plan before end of day, in just under 1 hour.

To avoid confusion, I still lean lynch Max.

I'm okay with Tric and Sec as survivors - but a survivor is scum, town loses, if this plan is done.

Max now says Tric's more likely to be town than Imp or Sec.  Sec's a survivor pick, but I don't see any real challenge to Sec's survival, that's a vote for Tric to be survivor, I think.

And makes Max look again, a bit more townie to me.  I wonder, because if Max is scum, looking townie really matters, enough to shift suspicious minds.  So again, I do lean lynch Max.

Sec any chance you talk more before end of day in about an hour?  Your ideas, whatever you see, matter.

Tric/Sofanthiel Shoot Imp
Imp/Secret Shoot Sofanthiel

Is this good?

If we go with survivors as chosen, this plan is set, clear and should work.

I'm leaning this way because Sec was fine with Tric or Imp, I lean more fine with Tric than Max or Sof, and I'm still really worried about Max.  Sof prefers Max over Tric or Imp.  Max says he prefers Tric over Imp or Sec, not sure how to read that one and if we should dig into it.

But D1's about to end soon, I do not think I'll be able to be here for much longer, probably gonna miss day end as well.

I don't know that Sec's coming back in time to say anything more.

Who that is present objects to this plan?

Tric/Sofanthiel Shoot Imp
Imp/Secret Shoot Sofanthiel

Is this good?

[Imp]

Most of D1 has passed.  I see this as our vote count and voting statistics:

- Imp (1)- sof
- TricMagic (0)-
- Maximum Spin (1)- Max
- sofanthiel (1)- Sec
- Secretdorf (0)-
- No Lynch (0)-


Warning: 3 is hammer

Not voting: Imp, Tric

Around 50 minutes remaining

Vote switches:
Tric switched 'Skip' to sof to Imp to unvote
Max switched Sec to Imp to unvote to Max
Sof switched from Tric to Imp

Have never voted:  Imp

Post count:

Imp 27 (counting this post)
Tric 21
Max 18
sof 10
Sec 9

[sofanthiel]

I say Tric's proposal sounds okay, so I will do as instructed unless new information comes to light.

[Maximum Spin]

Sofanthiel seems better than Secretdorf now.

[TricMagic]

Sofanthiel seems better than Secretdorf now.

?

[Imp]

Sofanthiel seems better than Secretdorf now.

I'm listening, but I cannot imagine a plan that leads to confusion or your survival would get my agreement.  Why do you think Sec is more scummy than sof?

I definitely want to hear you.  We must not be wrong about who survives.