Three votes is nothing! I eat three votes for breakfast.
It is breakfast time in NQT-time.
Right so let's have a look at these votes.
Toony on NQTI (just like you) also think NQT and Max have the fishiest reasons for voting me and since EVERYBODY is voting me or intends to vote me that's why I want to focus on those two.
This is the sort of reasoning that I'd do myself, so I don't object to Toony's approach here. I do reject his conclusion that I have a fishy reason for voting him. I was very clear why I was voting him. It wasn't just a bandwagon vote, but a rundown of a bunch of reasons why Toony's attitude towards me felt like scum opportunistically setting aside an 'acceptable' target. Web even says as much: that I'd be a default target. And Toony agrees, saying I'm "always" scum. Well I've been scum a disproportionate number of times in recent games, but I'm not always the bad guy and I don't think any serious attempt has been made to say why my play is currently like my play in those previous games (because... it's not!).
Doesn't like my D1 votes (but he likes Max, Fluff a lot better??). Toony has been drowning all D2 under pressure and this feels like an elaborate OMGUS. But you know, I've taken Jim's words to heart. Was I being motivated in my reasoning against Toony? Could a town!Toony hold his beliefs against me? Well, literally yes. Town spend most of their time being wrong. And Toony has a residual suspicion against me:
I can't think of anything I've liked about NQT in this game so far, but that is literally always the case. So I would say NQT is still more suspicious than Max currently.
And I get it! I always think Max seems scummy. These meta effects persist and warp each new game. But if Toony is town, he's going to have to get over that if he doesn't want to throw the game with a pointless mislynch.
Fluffe9911 - doesn't want to voteAfter being pushed repeatedly, by me voting and Toony coaching, Fluffe finally came through on some reads, with some scum percentages. Still doesn't actually act on those reads. This sort of play is difficult to assess because it's there's not much difference between Fluff as a low-effort scum or Fluff as a no-conviction town. Mafia is a hard game and people bounce off of it hard because there's often little solid to go on.
Max on NQTMax putting a boot in as usual. Feel disheartened because it's a repeat of D1. I get it. There's little solid here. Anyway he just brazenly sheeps Toony and Jim. Max is lazy, no two ways about it. And if he's successful, he's going to cause a mislynch. This to me reads as scum inability to find a valid target on his own.
Jim on NQTEgh, I don't like this.
People's opinions develop as the game goes on, don't they? Wow he changed his opinion oh no it's not like there was a specific reaction of EuchreJack's he pointed to that changed his mind.
If ToonyMan is town I think the odds are pretty good it's you/Max because it really doesn't feel like either of you are coming from genuine places with your criticisms of ToonyMan.
This is fair, people do change their mind, but I was pointing out that Toony literally contradicted himself. He said there was something he liked in my play then later he said he had seen nothing he liked in my play all game. Well, maybe this is null and I'm being too sensitive as I'm the target of his slander here, but it felt to me that his play matched that of someone setting me up as a viable lynch candidate. You know, something he's just done.
"ToonyMan meant to post his plant speculation in scumchat instead"
This is farcical criticism.
This wasn't what I was saying. I'm saying that plant speculation is something that may come from a scum perspective. I'm not saying he literally slipped and put it in the wrong place.
I don't like your case against ToonyMan. It's pretty bad. It feels a lot like you're working backwards from the conclusion 'ToonyMan needs to be lynched' and finding reasons to support this even if they're poor or invalid.
Motivated reasoning is a big danger in mafia, but it's also hard to avoid. We have a bad feeling about someone, we go looking and lo there are reasons to support that feeling. At the time I made that case that's about all I had to work with.
TricMagic on MaxSpinLiterally just a vote for lurking. Boring. But everyone has decided that this must be Town Tric because of the role obsession... hmm.
a1s on ToonyJust a sheep vote as far as I can tell. Joined the wagon Web started, along with Jack, and hasn't reassessed or done much of anything since.
Jack on ToonyJack had a meltdown on D1. I've gone back and forth in my mind about how towny that was. I recall now times when I've acted similarly as scum. On D2 he's pursued an all-Toony strategy, trying to team build from there, working out that EOD D1 was thrown by scum. This sort of speculation:
@NQT & Jim
Is Max scum buddies with Toonyman or Webadict?
If we assume that one between Toonyman & Webadict is Mafia, what does that mean about Max's alignment?
(I don't think either is a safe assumption to make now, I need to re-read the Fire Drill.)
READSTOWNJim - Reasonable attempt to understand the game, clearly examines the arguments
Tric - Being incoherent, making unnecessary claims, but also voting a lot. Seems town-Tric. Tries to hammer Toony!
a1s - Genuine sacrificial behaviour on D1, seems like a newbie town sort of play
Webadict - Tries to push a last minute wagon on Max, a1s supports, Toony denies. That's fine but he's tunnel-visioned.
Jack - I didn't like D1 play, but the meltdown felt genuine at the time. Has been thinking about team composition, which is hunting of a sort
Fluff - No conviction. Very passive. But not completely without opinions.
Toony - Bad OMGUS-type argument against me I can't see clearly on this one. Stepped up a lot with the pressure, but I don't really see why people think he's lock town now.
Max - Lazy opportunistic wagoner whose defence is he's always like that.
Let's get some Max pressure up in this house. Shake these trees, see what falls out.
Max, any reads?
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