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[Il Palazzo]

Eh, you had Trump once, you may have Trump or Trump-like again.

[hector13]

Eh, you had Trump once, you may have Trump or Trump-like again.

This is my main concern from at least this side of the Atlantic. Trump loves Putin, and he’s an isolationist, and I don’t see why he wouldn’t run in 2024; even if he gets convicted in his various lawsuits, that’s not a disqualifying factor.

Regardless of that, Putin wants more troops. According to the Beeb, 137,000 extra, pushing active troops above 1,000,000 when they get trained, which is supposed to take at least 4 months.

[Lord Shonus]

2024 is a long way away, but right now even GOP polls are showing that Trump would lose decisively. 2016 Trump was a perfect storm that is very unlikely to repeat, and you need someone as crazy as him to derail Ukraine aid. Even the other Republicans jockeying for the Second Coming Of Trump title aren't willing to buck the clear public will.

[hector13]

He still has enough sway that the people he endorse are at least winning primary battles across the land.

The mid-terms may be a better indicator.

[MaxTheFox]

Isn't Trump getting sued to hell and back, and his lawyers are now shitty? Can't run for president if you're in prison.

[hector13]

Trump is a billionaire, he’s not going to prison.

[Eric Blank]

I highly doubt anyone has the balls to put him in prison no matter how many crimes he commits. Ignoring his cultists going berserk, theres the fact that putting one wealthy and powerful man behind bars in a system that protects them opens up the possibility of every other politician and businessman whose committed crimes facing jail time, which theyll avoid at all costs, because theyre all criminals to some extent

[EuchreJack]

Isn't Trump getting sued to hell and back, and his lawyers are now shitty? Can't run for president if you're in prison.

To be fair, lawyers that want to keep their jobs have to mostly follow the orders of their clients.
Trump certainly had decent legal counsel over the years, but he Fired them all.

[hector13]

There was a headline on a recent Fox article that said already decent lawyers were refusing to work for him in his most recent issues, I think relating to his hoarding of classified documents.

[Strongpoint]

American politics invaded the thread)

From my biased Ukrainian point of view, we don't need Trump to go back to an American president that will mishandle Russia badly. Any new one can make the situation worse. Let's look at the recent ones.

1) Bush 1.0: The guy who "wisely" decided to not finish communists and end the cold without trying to bring Soviet criminals to justice. What the America-led Western world did in 1991 is like alternative History in which the Nazi party was removed from power in 1944 and the Allies left Germany intact in exchange for some minor democratic reforms with no Nurnberg.

Also, as a Ukrainian, I remember Bush's speech in front of the parliament of Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republicf that can be summarized with "Please, please, please, don't leave the USSR"

2)Clinton
Largely ignored Yeltsin's coup in 1993 and war crimes of the first Chechen War. Those were good enough to restart the Cold War and end it properly.

3) Bush 2.0
Oh... Where do I start? Ignored War crimes of the second Chechen War and resulting genocide. Ignored the rapid destruction of the free press in Russia. Invaded Iraq, creating an oil price hike that gave Russia sooooooo much money. And while I understand that he was a lame duck in 2008, USA's reaction to Putin's first open aggression was... tame.

4) Obama
Well, he started with a "reset" of relationships with Russia. I remember all too well Lavrov and Clinton smiling and pushing a big red button months after the aggression against Georgia. Then, when shit hit the fan in Syria, Obama demonstrated that USA's new reaction to ongoing genocide with WMD is drawing red lines.

There was a reaction to the first post-WW2 annexation in Europe but it was very... careful.

5)
Trump. Funnily enough, while being Putin's admirer, Trump didn't help Russia much. Not because he didn't want to but because other branches of the U.S. government didn't let him. The only major thing is breaking the deal with Iran, which allowed Russia to get more oil money and mitigate the effects of the sanction.

[EuchreJack]

Thanks for the reminder that US Presidents generally suck.
I still maintain that group called the NRA launching a rebellion in Russia is the Best Case Scenario. Republicans don't fuck with the NRA.
(The world "Republican" also appears in their name, for added confusion that mostly forces Republicans to keep funding the Ukrainians).

Like seriously, any Republican that signs a bill that could decrease funding to the NRA is basically committing Political Suicide. SO GREAT NEWS!!! 

[King Zultan]

Why are people bringing US political shit into a thread about Ukraine and Russia?

Also I have a feeling that the NRA thing in Russia doesn't actually exist.

[EuchreJack]

Why are people bringing US political shit into a thread about Ukraine and Russia?

Also I have a feeling that the NRA thing in Russia doesn't actually exist.

Of course it exists! Who else is going to advocate for Russians to Bear Arms?

[hector13]

Putin, given the recent demand to increase troop numbers :p

[MaxTheFox]

I highly doubt anyone has the balls to put him in prison no matter how many crimes he commits. Ignoring his cultists going berserk, theres the fact that putting one wealthy and powerful man behind bars in a system that protects them opens up the possibility of every other politician and businessman whose committed crimes facing jail time, which theyll avoid at all costs, because theyre all criminals to some extent

Fair enough.