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[Strongpoint]

Just a pity that the fascist Dugin didn't blow up with the car.

Who knows what is a bigger punishment? Seeing your daughter being killed and knowing that you are still a target is not a pleasant fate. He doesn't even know who it was. Is it some money stuff? Is it people who dislike his influence over Putin? Is it Putin himself for whatever reason? Ukrainians? Someone else?

Her death also made me think about free will, guilt, justice, and other stuff like that. Sure, she was a fascist who promoted genocide. But had she a chance to grow up and be anyone else being raised by this man?

[Il Palazzo]

We are all shaped by circumstances beyond our control. Seldom stopped anybody from blaming other people's guts.

[Quarque]

Her death also made me think about free will, guilt, justice, and other stuff like that. Sure, she was a fascist who promoted genocide. But had she a chance to grow up and be anyone else being raised by this man?

Robert Zepolsky would say no.. but it's partly her nature, you can't attribute this 100% to nurture. She was actively spreading her dads propaganda. Not every child of a monster (even with such an upbringing as hers) does that.

Then again, I can't bring myself to be happy about a murder, however deserved.

[Starver]

I saw it mooted that Dugin arranged it himself, seeing a rift in opinions edging open between him and his daughter (nobody said who was changing their mind) and making a tactical sacrifice to reinforce/cover his position and/or provide a fulcrum moment to justify some future move.

(The versions in my head where she was dissatisfied and the versions in my head where he is dissatisfied both seem to mesh pretty well into whether he's proving(/'proving') his loyalty or trying to spark up an escalation against... whoever.)

Though that's Conspiracy Theory at an epic level. Probably. Unless it isn't.  TBH, I'd more (than the above) expect it to be a move by Putin (or his 'people', under his guidance or otherwise) just going straight to the point of inflaming public opinion and scaring any waverers into line, or something like that.

'Random' targetted violence (either with a Ukrainean bent or just infighting within the elite coterie class of Russia) with pretty much no subtlety is probably the easiest to believe. But might still provoke escheresque twisting of the circumstances to fulfill some required angle of spin. Which means we'll probably never really know. Even (especially... given the nature of the Russian court system) if a perpetrator is found(/'found') and punished(/'punished') somehow.

[Il Palazzo]

Robert Zepolsky

Sapolsky, right?

[Quarque]

Robert Zepolsky

Sapolsky, right?

ah yes

[KittyTac]

Woo hoo! I won't shed a tear for her.

[brewer bob]

I saw it mooted that Dugin arranged it himself, seeing a rift in opinions edging open between him and his daughter (nobody said who was changing their mind) and making a tactical sacrifice to reinforce/cover his position and/or provide a fulcrum moment to justify some future move.

Dunno who's behind the bombing, but my bet goes for some kind of infighting between neo-nazi/fascist groups. Wouldn't be the first time when they murder each other.

[Il Palazzo]

Who's behind the death of the Ukrainian SBU officer, though? What is this, Frank Herbert's War of Assassins?

[Strongpoint]

So, some previously unknown "National Republican Army" took the responsibility for the bombing. Apparently, they are Russians and they announce more acts of this nature against anyone loyal to Putin's regime.

Is it the beginning of the Russian Civil War? (And yes I know that those can be fake)

[KittyTac]

So, some previously unknown "National Republican Army" took the responsibility for the bombing. Apparently, they are Russians and they announce more acts of this nature against anyone loyal to Putin's regime.

Is it the beginning of the Russian Civil War?

Слава героям.

[ChairmanPoo]

So, some previously unknown "National Republican Army" took the responsibility for the bombing. Apparently, they are Russians and they announce more acts of this nature against anyone loyal to Putin's regime.

Is it the beginning of the Russian Civil War?

Or maybe it was actually the GRU, and its a false flag attack. The Dugins are noisy but ultimately low value targets in the hierarchy.

Possible purposes:
- pander war support by providing "martyrs"
- accuse internal dissenters of being in league with Ukraine and land them with belonging to a terrorist group now
- remove nominally pro-Putin characters who are stridently ultranationalist and could pivot to being antiPutin if/when Putin ends up losing the war in Ukraine and has to sue for peace.


Either way, regardless of whether its real internal opposition, external opposition, or fake Kremlin led opposition, what is very clear is that the Dugins reaped the consequences of what they sowed.

[Strongpoint]

So, some previously unknown "National Republican Army" took the responsibility for the bombing. Apparently, they are Russians and they announce more acts of this nature against anyone loyal to Putin's regime.

Is it the beginning of the Russian Civil War?

Or maybe it was actually the GRU, and its a false flag attack. The Dugins are noisy but ultimately low value targets in the hierarchy.

Possible purposes:
- pander war support by providing "martyrs"
- accuse internal dissenters of being in league with Ukraine and land them with belonging to a terrorist group now
- remove nominally pro-Putin characters who are stridently ultranationalist and could pivot to being antiPutin if/when Putin ends up losing the war in Ukraine and has to sue for peace.

Yes. Or they are some clowns that claim even unrelated to them. Or it is Ukrainian disinformation. But it is an interesting development nevertheless. 

[Random_Dragon]

Even if they didn't do it and are just taking the credit for it, an anti-Putinist Russian group indicating their support for that by claiming ownership for it definitely seems like an interesting thing in terms of potential for a civil war there.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Putin uses it as an excuse to ramp up atrocities against Ukraine anyway even with a Russian group openly taking credit for it, because having to admit that your own citizens violently disagree with you is probably not good for a dictator's morale.

[Strongpoint]

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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Putin uses it as an excuse to ramp up atrocities against Ukraine anyway even with a Russian group openly taking credit for it, because having to admit that your own citizens violently disagree with you is probably not good for a dictator's morale.

Putin doesn't need any excuses to ramp up anything... I just got a lovely SMS describing new sounds of air raid sirens for chemical and radioactive threats...

We are fully expecting something very nasty during this week. They will try to "congratulate" us on our Independence day on 24th