For the record, here are the moments where I pretty much locked my lynch choices.
I don't know how masons are classified in Webadict's games.
Why would it be any different? It's not webadict classifying anything, it's me and 4maskwolf looking at our alignment and ability to talk to each other and saying "we're masons."
Or do you suspect there's more to BYOR masons than the standard variety? Of course there is, but asking for the details of that would be what I'd call rolefishing.
I just couldn't think of a reason why town would ever ask the GM for a definition on one of a player's words, that the player had already defined. Scum, however, get to change the subject to a distracting minutia, and have a chance of getting the town to volunteer information in trying to explain themselves further. ToonyMan later explained that this was to ascertain the mason claim as true, which made to me about as much as sense as this:
Alice: "I claim to have turned the sky green."
Bob: "Moderator! What colour is the sky usually?"
Alice: "Why does that matter? It's green now."
Bob: "I just want to be sure."
While there is cleverness in questioning the unspoken background behind the claim, it does nothing to address the claim itself. In this example, a truth-seeking player should be asking "what colour is the sky now?", a specific case rather than the general. I'll also admit that at the time of the discussion, it felt to me even worse than it was:
Alice: "I claim to have turned the sky green."
Bob: "Moderator! What is green?"
IcyTea:
Anyway, I'm 99% sure that flip is fake and we'll see the real of the flip whenever IcyTea dies.
Death millers are a bastard mechanic. In a non-bastard game, roleflips never contain false information (though parts may be obscured, as with Toony's first flip).
Sure, but we've already seen a flip-hiding role out of Juicebox. 4mask having a fake flip that reveals as true when you die is totally within the bounds of plausibility.
Calling the mod a bastard instead of suspecting one of the standard investigation-screwing abilities is beyond me. The power of masons is to be able to confirm each other, especially in death, so going straight for a lynch on the other when one gets daykilled is just not something I can ever see town doing. Toaster hadn't played particularly offensively before this, and didn't develop this point afterwards (going on the self-presevation), so it seemed further like a case to have the town waste the lynch.
There was also the contradiction in including in a case the point that 4mask's role had nothing about masons, even though he claimed to have seen the ability which created the masonry:
Everything I've done of interest I've claimed; I used the rolecop on IcyTea with the modifier to pick up his alignment. I saw the ability that makes him a mason and the rolename that makes him the second hydra head (specifically stating that 4mask was the hydra.)
I mean, it's pretty simple. Look at what is missing; anything referencing the IcyTea-4mask connection in 4mask's "flip." Do you really find it plausible that all of that information is in IcyTea's role?
You seem to be in a superposition of believing the description of the ability I showed, and not believing it. Quantum bad faith?
To be honest, I don't think these would have been terrible cases in a less tiresome game, but looking at them now, I was lacking empathy to how people were complaining about the game being difficult to read (since I was on vacation and spent literal hours on keeping up with the game). My biggest mistake was that I assumed malice where there was exhaustion.
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