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[webadict]

Can you give some examples of what Leave Comments could have done? I'm a little sad that they didn't get used.

The Comments were meant to give small power boosts. Leafsnail received a small Tech from the only Comment that got used. However, had more players used a similar comment, it could've been a replacement ability. Super versatile, but not very powerful, basically.

[FallacyofUrist]

Fun fact: Speedwagon + Pizza Party abuse would have made it possible to transfer Parallel Double onto Torir, and then duplicate it via Speedwagon multi-targeting, to give us multiple instances of it. If the game lasted longer, we could have had a really big Mafia team win.

Another fun fact: we actually worked out one way to bypass Dolores' untargetability effect. 'Choose a player' effects and 'target a player' effects are distinct, so Jim's Self-Destruct could have blown them up.

Oh, and Leafsnail was the one to daykill 4maskwolf.

The Comments were meant to give small power boosts. Leafsnail received a small Tech from the only Comment that got used. However, had more players used a similar comment, it could've been a replacement ability. Super versatile, but not very powerful, basically.

Leafsnail making himself the lynch target for that last Day by using his Blaster won us the game, really.

[Luckyowl]

Wow, it's over. Finally. I was honestly burnt out at the end and knew it was over when Vector was killed. But I had fun at the beginning.

[Nirur Torir]

2. People hated my walls-of-texts. Clearly they didn't work, but I don't know what else I'm supposed to do? I was town, and poorly made arguments were being thrown against me. I had to defend myself or else there'd be a mislynch. What were the flaws in my arguments against Nirur Torir?

I think your problem was that by playing my game you gave me more ammo.
I have two game modes: Lurking and poke at low-hanging fruit, or flooding the airwaves with meaningless nonsense in an attempt to look busy, because Good Townies are busy and people will complain about me being a scummy lurker if I lurk.

You might have been able to disarm me by asking "Why exactly do you think I'm scum?"
Me responding with "You're defending yourself with WIFOM, so you must be scum," would have exposed the weakness in my attacks.

[Vector]

Reading the deadchat, I find out that I am one of the most hated players here once again.

We thought you were an SK >_< I swear to god, I would have bet money. Y'know . . . like booing the bad guy . . . Deadchat turned into Dead Townie Vetchat pretty quick and we got salty.


But more seriously, if I was going to make some pointers:

1. Maybe be a little bit more judicious about the kills. I don't actually mean your shooting me to be clear, although that wasn't my favorite, but as I think a couple of other people mentioned, claiming vig without it being necessary to do so is one of the "old chestnut" scum or SK cover stories (kind of like self-voting early D1 as a jester. The "textbook" town answer is typically "shoot them, it's not worth the WIFOM.").

2. You did rely a lot on defending yourself with "scum wouldn't do this," which generally isn't a good defense unless you have some really big, compelling evidence in your corner. As an SK vigilante, you're scum's worst nightmare. But you really, really need to shoot scum, not town. Town will (usually, cough cough) take care of inoculating itself against townies who aren't playing well.

I feel playing vig is a lot like playing a cop. Your role is still mostly to be a good townie and try to find scum. The only difference is that you can inspect/shoot to confirm your suspicions. Any time when you're mostly focused on defense, though, is a time when you aren't focused on hunting. The best way to protect yourself from being lynched is giving town scum to lynch.

3. Note that although you definitely need to work on being a little bit more efficient, all of my ranting about WoTing wasn't specifically about you. It was about literally everyone who wrote a WoT and wasn't trying to hang someone with it. But yes: let's work on the WoTing 2021

3.' This will only come with experience, but I think that working on evaluating the strength of the cases other players have on you will help a lot. If you flinch at a light hit meant to evaluate your defenses, you look like scum every time. But if you try to downplay a strong case as being nothing but hot air, you also look like scum. Adjusting your defense to the strength of the attack is a key point.

[FallacyofUrist]

The sheer size of this beast is noteworthy. We had a Day 1 that was over 60 pages long. Game ended at over 100 pages. Scumchat had over 666 posts. There's got to be some good data on 'how to Day' buried in here somewhere.

I feel like I acted almost like the mafia-team's leader, in this game. Honestly feel kinda proud of my performance for once. I was actually wrong about me being bad at the day game in my Day 1 comment - I'm just mediocre at it, but that's way better than I was before, and I made people think I was town core for long enough to avoid being a target and make a difference.

[ToonyMan]

To be critical, I'm not happy with this game at all and everybody should be ashamed of themselves.

Nobody read anybody's posts because they were too busy talking to themselves and patting themselves on the back about how right they were. Due to the sheer volume of words some players were writing, nobody wanted to go back and re-read through the thread (which I did many many times while dead) to see and rethink other player's behavior after somebody flipped or CONFIRM FACTS. Nope just post post post post go go go go!!

Mafia threw up Walls of Text at each other, why? Why make everybody suffer? It wasn't even like town or mafia played good. Town either killed or got themselves killed for bad reasons. Mafia was obvious after Day 2. Maybe I'll do a player analysis for everybody, but honestly just read the Dead Chat if you want to see how I feel.

[heydude6]

Thought this might give you guys a laugh (though I doubt Toony will like it). This is what I sent Web during the day 3 night.

Spoiler: My night action (click to show/hide)

I'll look to see if you got a badge, but until then, here's your choice of Guns: Helix and Gray Mauser.

(2-Shot, Gun) Helix [target (x2)]: Reduce the targets by 1 HP.

(2-Shot, Night, Gun) Grey Mauser [target]: Reduce the target by 1 HP. When you use the last Shot, you hide from all abilities this Phase.

That’s an interesting set of choices actually. I’ll take helix. You’re going to be seeing some amazing day shenanigans tomorrow.

My final action then will be to Gift Excalibur to TrickMagic using fast hatter. I’ll call dibs on it if he dies, even if it’s not how dibs works

Fire my dart gun at leaf snail.

Spoiler: But wait! (click to show/hide)

I know this is long but don't worry, it has nothing to do with this night. It's about the upcoming day.


So, there's a chance that the mafia might end up getting their hands on Excalibur. I did everything I could to prevent it, but it might still happen. If they do get it though, then the game is as good as over since they can use it to quickhammer right at the start of the new day.
I have come up with a final desperate plan to prevent this worst case scenario from happening, and it goes roughly like this:

If I see somebody with two votes on them, then I assume the voters are both mafia trying to start a quickhammer and the 3rd scum who hasn't placed their vote yet is the one with Excalibur.

In response to this, I will unload my helix shots into the person I suspect to be the third mafioso and one of the two voters. I will then unload my rogue special into the third mafioso holding Excalibur to finish him off and hopefully loot Excalibur back before he even gets the chance to use it.

I think it's a good desperation plan, but it requires the following conditions to be true:

• I am constantly monitoring the thread for suspicious activity
• I can type at light-speed
• You respond to my actions equally quickly

And these are all impossible. It's likely that the third mafioso will get their vote in before I can type my PM in time.

That's why I want to ready a conditional action for Day 1 that will only execute under a set of criteria that I lay out. Since Excalibur dude will have to wait for you to process his action, I'm certain you will have the time to process mine as well. I know this is complicated for you, but it's the only way town has a chance of winning if Scum gets their hands on excalibur, so I hope you can let us have it.

Only execute this plan if Trickmagic is dead and I don't loot excalibur.

So let me lay it out. I'm going to give a list of possible scum teams as well as their priority number. If two members of any such hypothetical scum team cast a vote on someone (wildcard means anyone. If scum and a wildcard vote, shoot the other scum), then shoot the hypothetical third member who hasn't placed a vote yet with both shots of the helix and rogue special, and fire the other two helix shots at the remaining person with the higher priority. My reads may be off and I may have just killed a town, but I'm willing to gamble on this.

Team 1
(1) Vector
(2) LuckyOwl
(3) Wildcard (shoot Nirur Torrir if Vector and Luckyowl place the first two votes)

Team 2
(1) NJW
(2) LeafSnail
(3) Wildcard (shoot Luckyowl if Leafsnail and NJW place the first two votes)

Team 3
(1) LeafSnail
(2) Fallacy of Urist
(3) Wildcard (shoot Nirur Torrir if Leafsnail and Fallacy place the first two votes)

Team 4
(1) Vector
(2) Leafsnail
(3) Nirur Torir (wildcard)

If a scenario outside of this happens, then do nothing and let the mafia win in that case. I was outplayed and didn't even suspect such a combination.

If Scum decide to use excalibur early (like on the second vote), then immediately shoot the excalibur person with the usual helix rogue special combo, and make the other person who voted helix's second target.

I'd like to add that the priority of the teams themselves is top-to-bottom. If Leafsnail and a wildcard vote, shoot NJW with helix and rogue special, not Fallacy of Urist.

The worst part is that if I actually stuck to my convoluted plan, I would have shot Nirur and actually saved us! Maybe...

[webadict]

... I'm gonna be honest heydude...

I never read that PM.

[heydude6]

Thankfully Trickmagic survived and it was a non-issue.

[FallacyofUrist]

Wuba! Wuba! Tell everyone about my absurd Off Brand role submission!

[ToonyMan]

@Heydude:
As the guy who thought for sure 99% you could not be mafia (until the convert anyway), your town vig games seriously needs some work. I couldn't believe you were town after those kills you performed. Especially on Day 3, you were behaving just like a SK during Day 3.

Moving back a bit:
Granted killing Juicebox was probably for the best, but that was lucky. Your best decision was by far shooting Nirur, even if it was redirected to obvious town NQT. The thing is, as a town vig you shouldn't shoot unless you're absolutely sure or have no choice such as it being mylo and you lynch town.

Instead it looked like to me you were killing wildly, with your best interests being to stay alive and reducing the numbers down to just yourself, which is exactly how a SK should play it. The problem is that you never hit mafia once so at some point the mafia are going to want to kill you after all your hard work.

[hector13]

I was less than helpful as co-mod, but I’m also not really sure what to do about it either.

webadict did a boatload of stuff though, brought a lot of life back to the sub-forum. Props, my dude.

Now go to sleep for a week.

I agree with Toony though. I’m not sure if it was the sheer volume of stuff people were posting, but it didn’t seem like people were paying that much attention after a while.

[FallacyofUrist]

I was less than helpful as co-mod, but I’m also not really sure what to do about it either.

Shame those fun moderator roles never came into play much, but there wasn't much of any way for the players to know about them anyways, so...

[Toaster]

Oh lordy I tried to read the mafia abilities and my eyes crossed.  I'm impressed with you Web that you can even put this all together.  Thank you!

D1 I didn't mention Leave Comment because I was convinced playing it up would have tied it to me... though that probably wouldn't have been nearly as terrible as it was when I first thought about it.  The real play there was to convince everyone to leave a comment about Leave Comment... that it should be stronger.  If many people did (emphatically; the intensity of the written comment counted) then it would have gotten supercharged.  With that, we could have broken the game.


But instead I hit the framer's frame.  Damn it.  Sorry, town; I was too excited for a toofer.




What is talking too much?  Clearly, everyone's appetite for large posts have gone down since I last played... including my own.  16 player games are just hard to process; I had a usable read on about half the other people D1 and just filed away the rest under TBD.

If I can find the concentration and focus to play more, I need to do a less madhouse game first.  But I just love signing up for BYORs and already know what I'm submitting for BYOR 16...