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[heydude6]

No, let’s not hammer yet. unvote

Someone tried to daykill me today, and I think they’ll succeed next day phase. (Probably the same person who day-killed 4maskwolf).

I want to discuss a game plan in the event that I won’t be around tomorrow, as well as put to rest any doubts about my innocence.

But I’ve been at this for a while, so I want to take a break and eat dinner first. Feel free to discuss things amongst yourselves until I return.

[TricMagic]

Note that I'm pretty sure I still have a No Bonk badge on me, so I can't kill in the first place. Otherwise Lucky would be the target since I still keep the extra vote.(I do not trust the owl.)

[heydude6]

Guns don’t kill, they just remove HP. It’s the state of having 0 HP that kills the person. This allows for many shenanigans. I had a no-bonk equipped when I killed Vector.

[heydude6]

If you were my scum buddy, I definitely would have told you that.

[NJW2000]

No clue whatsoever given I got beat up and roleblocked.

I... I received the information that my target was visited by you from Webadict. This is weird.


Nirur Torir: Are you going to tell us what LuckyOwl's day ability is then?

Well, the fact that he hasn't already been hammered implies, funnily enough, that we should hammer him?

Leafsnail, and I really hope I'm right about this.

I'm pretty sure I was wrong about the disclaimer on the end of my post- even with the excalibur shenanigans, scum can still hammer, even if leafsnail is one.

Pretty sure they won't if they can do a respectable townlynch at this point though - if I'd played such a gruelling game, I wouldn't leave town a chance.

But in any case stop voting, unless you want the day to end.

Mood, especially with the extra feelings of self-disgust. Pretty sure I've seen you win a game via much harder lurking than anything in the past day though... so this doesn't spark joy.


Reads. Mostly for me to figure out who I'm voting.

Spoiler: a readslist in which I barely give alignments at all, but talk a lot (click to show/hide)

1. In any case, I'm pretty much sold on Tric being Town. (They have Excalibur. Glory be.)

2. I have a strong scum gutread on LuckyOwl, but I'd probably better take a step back from that, as that was part of my play around Vector, which with hindsight was at least partly crap. Did I say we should focus on gutreads as analysis and mechanics have killed nothing but town? Yes. Am I now stepping back from my gutreads on the basis that I might just be absolute toss at them? Yes. How am I hoping to find scum now? I'll get back to you, chief. Verdict? Going to leave this one blank for now.

3. Heydude: as I said, gut townread buuut we've either seen them perform every kill except for one daykill so far, so either the mafia is deeply thwarted, is stylin' on us so hard they refuse to nightkill, or this is a crazy gambit. Weird behaviour for scum - attempting to lynch Vector at the end would be a weird move, given they could have just let me townflip and made Vector look bad.
Still... practically the only killer in the game... yeesh. Would lynch, I guess.


4. Leafsnail: I'd be happy with a lynch here at this point. I've been annoyed at people doing lazy "Leafsnail is lurking" posts, but given Vector's town I'm attaching slightly higher value to their "trust me this is Leafsnail scum meta" stuff. Had to restrain myself a bit when someone said I "wasn't attacking Leafsnail enough", but I acknowledge that their post count is on the lower end. I still think what posts they do have have made more sense, but that's not too hard for a vet.

5. Nirur Torir: a toughie. Doesn't actually post a huge amount some days, even compared to Leafsnail. Some sensible posts, some weaker arguments. Lean scum.

6. FoU: still think redirecting heydude onto NQT was pretty egregiously scummy. They did foreshadow that with FoS's on NQT, but still. They've been asking a lot of justified questions, but still with fairly weak/low risk cases: D1 and D2 Leafsnail, Jim for unhelpfulness/lurking, Toaster after he went hard on the masons. No votes Day 3, lots of helpful content, literally no questions. Day 4: A case on heydude (for just like, so much murder) which is fair enough but easy, and a vote on Leafsnail taking my probably flawed reasoning in a PLEASE STOP VOTING PEOPLE post completely the wrong way. Again, FoU's engaging without taking risks or telling us much we don't know. The only deeply content-heavy thing as far as I can see was some FoSing and stuff for NQT.

I think this is strong scum play we're seeing - the easy blandness of the ideas is like an ocean of porridge.


7. NJW. I'm town.

Ok, I think I've found something.

A mystery:  FoU says this, that they commented Tric, as their special one-shot was stolen. Tric appears to notice no effect from the comment - is this true, Tric? He should have noticed something being modified, from what I can tell of the "use comments" ability. Tric meanwhile visited LuckyOwl, or at least someone, as I know from my watch-protect-block ability.

Interpretation: either Tric is lying, or FoU somehowhijacked TricMagic, making them do something. Or someone somehow delayed Tric, I guess.

FoU: what alignment did you put in your comment?


Yeah, I know, trying to piece together this stuff will probably backfire harder than the Toaster thing, okay. I don't know what else to do.

[NJW2000]

Oh... it may have been dead people too, via Vector-y stuff, though from posts it seems unlikely. Not sure what the dead wanted to do, tric has a lot of abilities claimed.

[FallacyofUrist]

Well, it's something at least.

I put the town alignment in my comment.

In the, uh, interests of full disclosure though, I named Tric's role as 'The Hat Kid' when I sent in my action, so if it's just 'Hat Kid', that could have caused it to not do anything. I really should have double-checked. If it did do something, it would probably be cat-flavored.

[Nirur Torir]

Leafsnail is scum. He's been in hammering range for too long to not be, and votes are too easily excused. I'm not yet voting to extend the day, and in case decide to lynch scumdude.

Nirur Torir: Are you going to tell us what LuckyOwl's day ability is then?

It was his cheer that let's someone act twice.

If you were my scum buddy, I definitely would have told you that.

More wifom. "I can't possibly be scum, because I would be talking to you in scum chat."
But scum both of you know this, and could have trivally set that up. Your constant WIFOM proves nothing, other than that the only possible way you can think of arguing is with an insanity plea. "I'd be insane to do that as scum, so I'm townie, so I'm safe from the lynch."
Since scum wants to be safe from the lynch, this is something scum would happily do.

[Leafsnail]

I activate hold-out blaster.

[webadict]

I activate hold-out blaster.

Leafsnail pulls out a Hold-Out Blaster and points it wildly at everyone.

[FallacyofUrist]

Wait, what? Isn't that one of the tech items we saw in Jim's flip?

[heydude6]

Jim had two tech items. One that he started the game with and another that he created during his first night action. Jim revealed the scanner, but there was always one item that was unaccounted for. I guess he passed it along to his buddy Leafsnail.

Everyone should note that I was the person who pushed for Leafsnail's lynch the hardest today, though I don't think it would have been able to happen without Tric's help.

[FallacyofUrist]

Jim had two tech items. One that he started the game with and another that he created during his first night action. Jim revealed the scanner, but there was always one item that was unaccounted for. I guess he passed it along to his buddy Leafsnail.

Yeah, I can see that being the case.

Everyone should note that I was the person who pushed for Leafsnail's lynch the hardest today, though I don't think it would have been able to happen without Tric's help.

I find it disconcerting how much you emphasize and fixate on your own towniness, though.

[FallacyofUrist]

Unvote for now. Yeah, Leafsnail's obviously scum, but as far as I know, if we lynch him he'll shoot one of us, which I'd rather not have happen.

I protected Heydude6. My protection only protects those who have the same alignment as me. When I protected Jim "nothing happened" but when I protected Heydude6 something actually happened.

I think I'd like some more information on this. LuckyOwl: what do you mean by 'something actually happened'?

[heydude6]

Everyone should note that I was the person who pushed for Leafsnail's lynch the hardest today, though I don't think it would have been able to happen without Tric's help.

I find it disconcerting how much you emphasize and fixate on your own towniness, though.

We're at LYLO. Scum know exactly who each other are and will coordinate privately. Town cannot. Scum only needs to convince one town member to believe their narrative in order to win the game (though Excalibur has given us a bit of slack in that regard). Their current narrative was that I was scum, and I saw first-hand how hard they were willing to push it.

You have to fight it hard. The town needs people they can trust. I'm trying to convince them that Trickmagic and I are those people.

I will give more detailed arguments for our innocence tomorrow. Right now I need to sleep.