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[Random_Dragon]

Also why are there four ways to spawn items in mapgen each with their own rules, those being: items, item, place_loot, and place_items.

You can also use "mapping" if I recall, though that may be depreciated in either DDA, BN, or both.

[King Zultan]

I didn't see that one anywhere so I guess I lucked out on not having to figure out what a fifth one wants.

[taat]

breaking! drama report, 27th of march 2023

Spoiler: warning, contains drama. and reddit. (click to show/hide)

https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/123w2oh/the_end/
response: https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/123w2oh/the_end/jdwnnlp/
counter-response: https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/123w2oh/the_end/jdwtbl3/

[Robsoie]

out of the drama that does not surprise me anymore, i think giving more ability to the player to customise the game is always the best way.
As someone mentionned in the github page this kind of indepth option could allow to create an outside of USA experience in which guns and ammo are rarer or etc...

For the drama i really don't see where is the "UI problem", from the screenshot the contributor made it as a "+" group to avoid cluttering anything.
 
I hope to see something like that in CBN at some point.

[Random_Dragon]

Yep, been watching it and sent NP a PM with my condolences. Personally, we've had disagreements with Night in the past, usually because he's occasionally come into PRs on BN to start arguments over features he was involved in being tweaked for gameplay reasons, but even with those disagreements it doesn't make it any less...distasteful, how the other devs have responded in the thread by IMMEDIATELY throwing him under the bus.

A highlight especially would be:

Spoiler: personal details about Night being posted in a public forum by Erk (click to show/hide)

Something like this really has no purpose being dredged up and aired out as dirty laundry in a thread like this, and serves only to make him look bad for choosing to leave.

Spoiler: Secondary tangent on above spoilered image (click to show/hide)

Considering that, if there ARE any personal issues involved in his actions lately it might have something to do with (last I checked) Night being a Russian contributor, I would bet that "trying to avoid being drafted" is a stressor.

Which makes airing said personal details in public, on reddit no less, even more tasteless when Serg, one of their developers, has a known history of openly posting pro-Putin shitposts elsewhere on reddit.

I suppose this also has a hint of "I can't believe leopards would eat MY face!" as well given much of the arguments Night has been in, and the reason he said he doesn't feel up to move to BN, has come from a lot of his code efforts being on things that fit the "realism over QoL" image that often causes arguments over there. That the tipping point comes when he goes for a QoL PR, and that they immediately turn on him when he voices his decision to leave over it, is completely to be expected. It's still saddening despite my disagreements with the guy, and it doesn't make it any less unprofessional on their part.

EDIT: usually, not unusually, you know what I mean weh.

[EuchreJack]

Hm, he could create a fork, then let the other two forks steal what they like.
He could also go the route of modding, those sometimes get incorporated into one of the branches.

Then again, taking a deep breath and working on other projects is probably the healthier option, then maybe pursuing something.

[Random_Dragon]

We're already looking into adding the idea to the list for BN. Probably for the best not to ask him to come over and do it himself, PRing a port and co-authoring him works fin though.

Main question development-wise (aside from, you know, getting time and energy to work on stuff @.@) so far is what's the best way to split up item categories. Looks like the method Night used is the same way item categories are set up in inventory, which so far sounds like the best way to do it. Going by the same logic sort zones use is also an option but I don't feel that'd be better, but who knows.

[Robsoie]

Looks like that dev not interested in CBN, so unless somehow the situation between those CDDA devs cool down he probably should just start his own fork with his own vision.
Anyways, this type of option sure could improve CBN as that's a lot of potential to customise your world even further.
Maybe also adding some presets could come with this, a bit like you can create character presets ?

[Random_Dragon]

Maybe also adding some presets could come with this, a bit like you can create character presets ?

Promptly quoted into the development channel over on the discord, could be interesting.

[KittyTac]

Oof. Not gonna comment anything except oof.

But yeah there's a moratorium on more world customization stuff currently and he honestly should have known it. I don't have anything to say about Erk's response.

[Random_Dragon]

I have lots of things I'd want to say and have said elsewhere but eh. Others in the same reddit thread have already said things I'd probably just mirror, RIP them since I'm sure once Maddremor wakes up there's going to be a flood of deletions or just the thread getting locked.

Distasteful is absolutely what I'm sticking with though, given I've already brought it up here. I don't think many people other than Erk himself would find that (especially the personal info posts, someone in there compared it to concern trolling and pointed out that's a gaslighting tactic used by abusers) to be an unreasonable opinion.

[KittyTac]

Totally won't be me who pings Maddremor on Discord because I want this over with.

[Random_Dragon]

Yeah, no need to remind me of his behavior either, we've already had confirmation in the past that he's gone so far as to lurk in the BN server under an alt and used things said there as an excuse to lock threads under the pretext of "brigading" :V

[KittyTac]

I happen to be his personal friend and so I honestly dc what he locked. Good for him, I'd be doing the same if I was a mod on the subreddit.

[Random_Dragon]

Unfortunately still something most people would frown on. I try to discourage people on the BN server from actually going over and starting shit even if they're people I've gotten to know for some time so, I guess that's just a matter of being willing to ask your friends not to start shit. Which is...something in the vague direction of irony given the history I've had of myself getting involved in heated discussions, but given this whole mess playing itself out over on reddit while I'm off on the sidelines with popcorn, that demonstrates that the toxicity is sadly still there, and you'll have to just deal with it regardless of your personal connections to any of the people that might end up involved in it.