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[TamerVirus]

hey it's just some mild myocarditis
Bold choice to introduce Robert Malone to the thread is all I'll say

[Telgin]

On a slightly different note regarding side effects of the vaccine, has anyone heard of it or any other vaccines causing new food allergies in adults?  I don't know that it's related, but I developed a new sensitivity or allergy to both black tea and whatever is in this peppermint herbal tea in my pantry a few weeks after I got the second dose.  I have a brother who is quite allergic to black tea so it could be totally unrelated, but the timing is suspicious.

There's no way to know that it caused it, but I am curious if this is a known potential side effect from vaccines in general.  Unfortunately, trying to research that on Google has become impossible because any search query with the word vaccine in it is dominated by unrelated results. 

I got a third dose about two weeks ago and it doesn't seem to have caused any new issues at least.

[None]

I've heard no such thing, no. I went into it having all kinds of food allergies to begin with and I don't think anything's changed in that regard. I just got a little better at identifying substances that destroy my insides.

I'll miss you, onions. Garlic, we might need to have a talk.

[ChairmanPoo]

I agree that the development was NOT rushed. Also: I do think and hope life threatening maladies can be fast-tracked when possible. I hope itbwill be possible more often with a  hopefully likely greater commitnent to healthcare from goverments, too.

[scriver]

In reality, the vaccine programmes were not rushed, merely compressed out of expediency.

That's literally just corpo speak for rushed

[ChairmanPoo]

*groan* No it´s not.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-development-evaluation-approval-monitoring


Several parts of the testing and development process were done simultaneously. This was in part thanks to improved logistics, and in part thanks to copious ammounts of funding (IE: there was both money upfront AND a commitment to buy large amounts of the drugs at preestablished prices. This gave companies security to start mass production AHEAD of approval).

Stop saying it was rushed. It was not rushed. All vaccines went through rigorous testing before the market. Seriously, if we can make this kind of approval process more standarized for orphan designations the world will be better off for it.

[scriver]

Chairman, you are saying it was rushed. The majority of the your link -- the parts that aren't about the standard procedure -- is explaining how the development was rushed.

[Rolan7]

Maybe technically, but "rushed" kinda implies that safety was compromised.  That's certainly what most people mean when they say the vaccine was rushed.  But the steps weren't rushed, just performed simultaneously.

There was additional risk that effort and money would be wasted, but the reliability of the testing wasn't compromised.  So I'm going to avoid saying that the vaccine was rushed because that conveys an entirely incorrect message.

[Starver]

Expedited. Not waved through without checking, just making sure everyone was ready to make the checks as soon as possible. In some cases, reviewing (and, if necessary, querying) the initial data without waiting for the final phases of data.

If anything, it's safer. If the study group don't pick up AEs during collection, the review group(s) get opportunity to alert them as they perhaps spot them. And before the guinea-pigs test subjects are all subject to the entire possibly erroneous trial. (See the Theralizumab Phase I incident for something done in good order but - at least by later recommendations - 'rushed'.)

[McTraveller]

All I know is that even myocarditis or whatever being maybe 2-10x the background rate sounds scary (10 times as bad! wow!), but when it started out at like 4-10 cases per million population, going to something like 10-40 per million after a second/third booster - yeah I'm not going to lose sleep about that.

Humans are just bad at understanding the difference between relative and absolute risk, and there are parties that like to abuse that poor level of understanding.

I mean seriously, if you can double your chances at winning the lottery, is that a good choice? What about trying to get your chances at winning the lottery 100x better?

...and this isn't even considering that the useful comparison isn't the vaccine compared to no vaccine and not getting sick - the useful comparison is the vaccine compared to the probability of effect without a vaccine, which includes getting COVID.  Unless I'm mistaken and the "background rate" was updated to be recent history including the "background" rate of infected people rather than the long-term rate that probably doesn't include COVID infections.

[martinuzz]

We're heading back into full lockdown out of fear for omikron. This evening, our government will hold a press conference in which they will order everything except essential stores such as supermarkets and pharmacies to be closed, including schools and universities.

[Amaranth]

"Humans are just bad at understanding the difference between relative and absolute risk, and there are parties that like to abuse that poor level of understanding”
Exactly. Enjoy your new genome and subservience.

[hector13]

A new genome? That’s a new one on microchips.

Also, subservience to what?

[King Zultan]

Obviously to our reptilian overlords.

[TamerVirus]

Also, subservience to what?

The archonic wardens that run this prison planet