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[GPeter]

I've always wondered about Lydia's backstory, I never found anything in-game... As far as I can tell, she could be simply, anyone...

[wierd]

You *CAN* ignore the stormcloak rebellion.  There is an arbitration scene at the greybeard's conference table if you decide to remain neutral, to force a resolution of the conflict over whiterun, so that you can trap odaviing in the trap there, and continue the main quest to stop alduin.

That is for weak kneed sissies that cant handle deciding the fate of the universe though. ;P

[neotemplar]

What if Queen Elesif and King Ulfric via some kinda narrative madness get married and lead the forces of Skyrim to reestablish the Empire after it collapses with the assasination of the Emperor?

It’d be like a second Tiber Septim event.

Then whoever could ascend as Talos reborn etc.

Alternatively the whole thing is just asking for a “player is incarnate of Talos”.

[wierd]

pssst--- "eternal champion" (1)

It is often strongly implied that the player "Hero" is a recurring mythic feature in and of themselves, and like the original manifestation of Lorkhan himself, cannot persist in any one place or time for long, but cause tremendous, and long lasting change that shapes the world.

You can find mention of this in several of the 36 lessons of vivec, and in other lore sources.  It is strongly implied that Pelinal Whitestrake and pals are all just myth echos of this more primordial mythic actor, the original of which is either purposefully obscured, or forgotten to prehistory.

[Dorsidwarf]

What if Queen Elesif and King Ulfric via some kinda narrative madness get married and lead the forces of Skyrim to reestablish the Empire after it collapses with the assasination of the Emperor?

That'd be some pretty major narrative madness seeing as he killed her husband like a few weeks before the game start and she describes his followers as a "blight on skyrim"

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Hey this question may better be suited to the general Skyrim thread, but since it involves a lot of speculation on the lore and politics of Skyrim I'd figured I'd ask it here:

In terms of the Main Quest, Civil War, Dawnguard, Dragonborn, (and possibly Companions, Thieves Guild, and the College of Winterhold) what happens when, and is it canonical??? I mean all these storylines have wide-reaching effects on gameplay and history, but we know not all of them will end up being canonical.

[wierd]

their ordering is not really important though.  They all take place in the span of a few months time, which historically speaking, would basically be at the exact same time in terms of context.

[wierd]

What if Queen Elesif and King Ulfric via some kinda narrative madness get married and lead the forces of Skyrim to reestablish the Empire after it collapses with the assasination of the Emperor?

That'd be some pretty major narrative madness seeing as he killed her husband like a few weeks before the game start and she describes his followers as a "blight on skyrim"

A dragon break is literally a case of "when worlds collide"

You could have a sombre Ulfric, lamenting his actions to kill Elesif's former husband, as he manages an isolated, and beseiged skyrim, as Adlmeri forces surround the battered province--

Meeting his alt-timeline counterpart---  An older, wearier, and wiser Elesif, who has had plenty of time to better understand the treason of statecraft-- and who has come to better understand why the (in her timeline) DEAD Ulfric did what he did, who cant shake the thoughts about how things might have been different.

Literally products of exclusively seperated worlds, the two have something in common--- A deep seated desire for Skyrim to live, and for the aldmeri bastards to die horribly for what they orchestrated--- brought together by the magic of the dragon break.

I can see how it would work.  Elesif would not be the niave queen she is in the Skyrim game era- this would be many, many years, and many many compromised principles and lost noble ideals later.

Likewise, it would not be the hot-head Ulfric of the Skryim game era either.  It would be the "I watched skyrim slowly die as the thalmor curled its bony fingers around the nations of men, one at a time, and strangle the life from them, my homeland included" Ulfric.

[JimboM12]

hmm imperials vs stormcloaks and future repercussions.
well, i think its all down to the actions of the dragonborn to decide. if you join the dark brotherhood, you assassinate a non-dragon blood emperor, leaving imperial leadership fairly open for you; seeing as you're a dragonborn and share the dragonblood with tiber septim, you'll probably get a lot of support. doubly so if you felt guilty after seeing tidus mede handle his assassination like a boss and decided to avenge the emperor and kill the guy who put the contract on him and then join the legion to save the empire he tried to hold together by killing ulfric and solidifying the empires hold on skyrim and becoming a prominent member of the legion. oh, and you have a reformed blades (barring a certain sidequest i decided to mod out cuz fuck, you're my bodyguards, not my handlers) made of loyal companions you've found in the world. combine all of these, throw in some political maneuvering and you've got a new emperor.
with skyrim stabilized and a new emperor of similar linage to tiber septim, you could probably bring hammerfell back into the mix considering you're probably on a hardy anti-thalmor track.

this is, of course, all speculation until bethesda decide to make Elder Scrolls VI: Orsinium, itll be about the orcs taking back their land, fighting against thalmor sympathizing breton mages. the imperials aren't getting directly involved, trying to stay neutral, but doing a CIA style operation in support of the rebel orcs.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

That actually sounds awesome.

[Imic]

I know that was a joke, but an Elder Scrolls: Ordinium would be very difficult, given that Orsinium is literally one city that changes location every few hundred years. Maybe as DLC for a High Rock or Hammerfell game, which if you look at my previous post, is most likely the case, unless they include Orsinium in the base game.
Quick prompt: What do you think about the Orcs, their culture, and their plight?

[JimboM12]

i was thinking of the first one; http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Orsinium

assuming my earlier post is some form of canon, a former orc legionary named Urock Irock (insert better name here), haunted by his experiences during the great war, wanders tamriel as a sellsword. shortly after the events of skyrim, however, he receives a vision and a task from malacath to unite the orcs and take back the once great orc home.
this parts alot like the hobbit for a good frame of reference, its all very positive at first and this all starts very peaceful at first, an orc expedition comes to visit and restore the ruins but it goes from an expedition of a few dozen to a pilgrimage of a hundred thousand, as orcs from all over hear about malacaths chosen and flood in to join him.

of course, the hoity toity mage aristocrat bretons aren't having none of that and since they're a short string away from seceding from the empire, they petition the dominion for help. the thalmor aren't gonna pass up any chance to hurt the empire, so they accept and send in an army to "ensure the safety of the seceding bretons and oversee the change in leadership" but what happens is "slap the empire across the face, turn the bretons into servant dogs and wipe the sticking orcs out of the dominions new land". they hire a ton of less-than-scrupulous mercenaries to assist the "ruling" bretons. yeah, these guys are basically bandits, so they pillage peaceful orc caravans coming to view the rebuilding and harass any loyalist bretons trying to leave.

Urock himself is actually pro-imperial due to his experience with the legion. i mean, the imperial legion accepted him freely and many other orcs (yeah the great war sucked but the legion provided a home, job, a chance to prove himself and a sense of belonging) and so he petitions the empire for help. the empire makes a big show of trying to stay neutral, sending in only a token legion to oversee humanitarian efforts; bringing food for displaced people and evacing anyone who wants to leave safely. this is also a ruse as they sneak in supplies and money under the table for Urock's rebels and subtly allows orc legionaries to take a honorable early discharge.

so our player character is plonked in the middle of this political mess. after being arrested for unknown reasons by the thalmor, we're being escorted out of high rock when our prison caravan is waylaid by Urock orcs and we're set free in the ensuing battle.

.....how do the elder scrolls fit into all this? i have no fucking idea. i spent way too much time thinking this plot up in the shower earlier.

[Kagus]

i spent way too much time thinking this plot up in the shower earlier.

"Why are you taking so long in the show? Is everything alright?"

"I'M PLOTTING!"

[JimboM12]

"Why are you taking so long in the show? Is everything alright?"

"I'M PLOTTING!"

"jimbo, why's all the hot water gone?"

"oh right, sorry, i was making fanfiction in the shower again"

[scourge728]

Real question: Who would win, the Dragonborn or the Courier