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[Egan_BW]

Ever heard of mininukes?

[scourge728]

I mean, the dragon born can summon some unkillable by anyone who isn't dragonborn dragons, has a better invisibility( I think) and from a gameplay perspective, can theoretically reach absurd levels of health mana and stamina, along with armor rating

[Egan_BW]

I bet dragons aren't nuke-proof.

[Dunamisdeos]

I bet Thalmor taste like cabbage smells.

[Madman198237]

Well, dragons can be killed, they just don't die.

They can be revived later (Alduin reviving dragons earlier killed by Blades or in the even more ancient rebellion of Men against dragons)...unless killed by the Dragonborn.

Speaking of which, said Dragonborn can wear plate armor made of dead dragons, or eldritch plate armor from Oblivion, whereas the best the other guy can do is power armor. If you use power armor, you have to basically pray that the Dragonborn isn't a mage, because if they are, well, um...good luck?

Lightning spells probably don't mix well with power armor.

[Egan_BW]

What? Power armor would act as a faraday cage, causing the electricity to flow through your armor, rather than through you. There's probably insulation on the inside, too. Fallout has energy weapons, you'd better believe that the prewar USA designed their fancy armor to stand up against simple electricity.
Now, toss a fireball at power armor and you might see a problem.

Power armor is also completely enclosed, whereas dragon scale armor ain't. Doesn't matter how hard that stuff is if it's not in the right place to protect you.

Edit: Looking up pictures, and yeah that dragon scale armor has an exposed face.

[Persus13]

Real question: Who would win, the Dragonborn or the Courier

The real question is what would you hear from the nearby guards when this fight is going down. My vote is for "Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for an arrow to the knee."

[Madman198237]

It might act like that, maybe, unless the path that is easiest for the electricity to flow through also happens to run through one of the wires or motors running the thing.

Also, running enough current would fuse internal joints, and Fallout's energy weapons tend to be plasma or laser-based (inflicting damage through heating, primarily), not electrical in nature.

Another alternative, of course, are Frost and Force shouts. Freeze the joints or knock them over, depending on how well insulated and protected against cold the machinery is (cryo grenades being a thing in Fallout, of course). Knock over somebody in power armor then dramatically hit them with your enchanted axe.

Or cheat, hit them with the Wabbajack a few dozen times and then vaporize whatever they transform into with a Shout.

[scourge728]

Also: From the dlcs, we learn that the power armor ISN'T immune to electricity, and dragonborn also has frost spells, among other things, including that whole alchemy enchanting smelting triangle thing

[Dunamisdeos]

Are we just making it the most munchkin character possible from each game?

Because Skyrim has the triangle of upgrades, whereas Fallout does not. At any rate, I expect that a suit of power armor could definitely pulp a lot of Thalmor.

[Madman198237]

They utilize spells, which could be problematic. Fire won't be, frost might be, and lightning will apparently DEFINITELY be problematic, according to scourge's statement.

But if you use your power armor to carry around additional mininukes, I imagine that the Thalmor mage problem will tend to...solve itself, in a mysteriously mushroom-shaped way.

[Dunamisdeos]

Here's a thought: How well would the Dragonborn stand up to a deathclaw?

[Madman198237]

I stand before you, a champion of the greatest of the daedric lords, and I say unto you:

Wabbajack.

[Rolan7]

Champion?  I AM greatest of the daedric lords.  And least!  And a fishy stick, and you're a fishy stick!  Fishy sticks are all!

Seriously though this thread is *fascinating*.  I liked the counterargument against Ulfric being an agent, it's true "asset" is far vaguer than that.
I also really liked weird recounting that Kirkbride stuff about multiple universes and the Dragon Breaks.  I feel like every time I read about it I understand it just a little more, but it's still wild.
I'm also a sucker for the Moorecock-esque "eternal hero" trope, heh.

Of course the shipper in me was particularly tickled by this:

What if Queen Elesif and King Ulfric via some kinda narrative madness get married and lead the forces of Skyrim to reestablish the Empire after it collapses with the assasination of the Emperor?

That'd be some pretty major narrative madness seeing as he killed her husband like a few weeks before the game start and she describes his followers as a "blight on skyrim"

A dragon break is literally a case of "when worlds collide"

You could have a sombre Ulfric, lamenting his actions to kill Elesif's former husband, as he manages an isolated, and beseiged skyrim, as Adlmeri forces surround the battered province--

Meeting his alt-timeline counterpart---  An older, wearier, and wiser Elesif, who has had plenty of time to better understand the treason of statecraft-- and who has come to better understand why the (in her timeline) DEAD Ulfric did what he did, who cant shake the thoughts about how things might have been different.

Literally products of exclusively seperated worlds, the two have something in common--- A deep seated desire for Skyrim to live, and for the aldmeri bastards to die horribly for what they orchestrated--- brought together by the magic of the dragon break.

I can see how it would work.  Elesif would not be the niave queen she is in the Skyrim game era- this would be many, many years, and many many compromised principles and lost noble ideals later.

Likewise, it would not be the hot-head Ulfric of the Skryim game era either.  It would be the "I watched skyrim slowly die as the thalmor curled its bony fingers around the nations of men, one at a time, and strangle the life from them, my homeland included" Ulfric.

Aw yeah jaded old leaders of legend being *people* and maybe holding hands and sharing each other's pain

i was thinking of the first one; http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Orsinium

assuming my earlier post is some form of canon, a former orc legionary named Urock Irock (insert better name here), haunted by his experiences during the great war, wanders tamriel as a sellsword. shortly after the events of skyrim, however, he receives a vision and a task from malacath to unite the orcs and take back the once great orc home.
this parts alot like the hobbit for a good frame of reference, its all very positive at first and this all starts very peaceful at first, an orc expedition comes to visit and restore the ruins but it goes from an expedition of a few dozen to a pilgrimage of a hundred thousand, as orcs from all over hear about malacaths chosen and flood in to join him.

of course, the hoity toity mage aristocrat bretons aren't having none of that and since they're a short string away from seceding from the empire, they petition the dominion for help. the thalmor aren't gonna pass up any chance to hurt the empire, so they accept and send in an army to "ensure the safety of the seceding bretons and oversee the change in leadership" but what happens is "slap the empire across the face, turn the bretons into servant dogs and wipe the sticking orcs out of the dominions new land". they hire a ton of less-than-scrupulous mercenaries to assist the "ruling" bretons. yeah, these guys are basically bandits, so they pillage peaceful orc caravans coming to view the rebuilding and harass any loyalist bretons trying to leave.

Urock himself is actually pro-imperial due to his experience with the legion. i mean, the imperial legion accepted him freely and many other orcs (yeah the great war sucked but the legion provided a home, job, a chance to prove himself and a sense of belonging) and so he petitions the empire for help. the empire makes a big show of trying to stay neutral, sending in only a token legion to oversee humanitarian efforts; bringing food for displaced people and evacing anyone who wants to leave safely. this is also a ruse as they sneak in supplies and money under the table for Urock's rebels and subtly allows orc legionaries to take a honorable early discharge.

so our player character is plonked in the middle of this political mess. after being arrested for unknown reasons by the thalmor, we're being escorted out of high rock when our prison caravan is waylaid by Urock orcs and we're set free in the ensuing battle.

.....how do the elder scrolls fit into all this? i have no fucking idea. i spent way too much time thinking this plot up in the shower earlier.

I like how different Orcs are in TES than other games, but I generally kinda ignore them.  This sounds amazing though.
also
Urock Irock
how is that so damn funny

Anyway I actually don't have anything to add to Courier vs Dragonborn.  It sounds cool but I've gotten pretty jaded about "who would win" arguments.  Though I guess my latest Courier, a melee Legionaire in light armor, would be a bizarrely appropriate challenge.  Cannibalism is like dragon shouts, right?

also where's Putnam?  PTW

[Kagus]

You're all thinking in the wrong terms... It's not a matter of lightning spells vs. power armor or mininukes vs. daedric/draconic plate... It's the tense and thrilling battle between a shadow-stepping stealth archer and a drugged-up maniac with an AMR or the holographic BALANCEDrifle.

Personally? I think it's a matter of distance. An AMR in the hands of a VATS-abusing Steady addict would outrange a conjured bow easy, but at closer range the archer could push out some mean damage thanks to the suit of double-enchanted armor.