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A_Curious_Cat

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6015 on: September 29, 2024, 07:09:45 am »

Thanks for the answers, Toady One!

Good luck with whatever you have going on on the 1st!
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6016 on: September 29, 2024, 08:08:26 am »

Apparently I've been misgendering Putnam for 10 years

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6017 on: September 29, 2024, 10:06:51 am »

Thanks for the answers

Am i to understand that lua scripting will completely supplant the current interaction format, or is it being implemented to allow randomized raw generation? To what extant will it be necessary when creating interactions and what is its purpose?

I've been doing Spellcrafts for a long time now, and I never figured out how to implement Lua scripts through dfhack, or lua scripts in general. It's a big and scary change for me if it all goes in the trash because it becomes incompatible
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6018 on: September 29, 2024, 12:52:05 pm »

Thanks for the answers
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6019 on: September 30, 2024, 06:44:21 am »

Am i to understand that lua scripting will completely supplant the current interaction format, or is it being implemented to allow randomized raw generation? To what extant will it be necessary when creating interactions and what is its purpose?

I've been doing Spellcrafts for a long time now, and I never figured out how to implement Lua scripts through dfhack, or lua scripts in general. It's a big and scary change for me if it all goes in the trash because it becomes incompatible

We're not planning on breaking any compatibility -- even vanilla saves would be affected and it would just be a huge mess.  So I expect as lua is incorporated it'll be optional for all the places it touches the existing raws, even if it's used by vanilla more and more.  It'll probably be handy to learn a bit of it over time, but like the existing raw format (e.g. creature variations and other scripty things), that should be doable in chunks and not require any special software, since it's all just text, and vanilla and other mods will exist as examples of how things work.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6020 on: September 30, 2024, 09:58:55 am »

Are maps ever coming back to legends mode?
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« Reply #6021 on: September 30, 2024, 01:21:14 pm »

Are maps ever coming back to legends mode?

I hope so. And I miss the function that saves a copy of the map after you generate a world. Maybe it could save the history highlights that it displays during world generation.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6022 on: September 30, 2024, 05:33:13 pm »

Am i to understand that lua scripting will completely supplant the current interaction format, or is it being implemented to allow randomized raw generation? To what extant will it be necessary when creating interactions and what is its purpose?

I've been doing Spellcrafts for a long time now, and I never figured out how to implement Lua scripts through dfhack, or lua scripts in general. It's a big and scary change for me if it all goes in the trash because it becomes incompatible

We're not planning on breaking any compatibility -- even vanilla saves would be affected and it would just be a huge mess.  So I expect as lua is incorporated it'll be optional for all the places it touches the existing raws, even if it's used by vanilla more and more.  It'll probably be handy to learn a bit of it over time, but like the existing raw format (e.g. creature variations and other scripty things), that should be doable in chunks and not require any special software, since it's all just text, and vanilla and other mods will exist as examples of how things work.

Okay, that makes sence. Thank you.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6023 on: October 01, 2024, 07:20:34 am »

You and Threetoe have stated in the past that you plan to soon add some kind of "healing magic", mostly to help adventurers heal their wounds and replace the current "fast travel to wait" system (unless I'm misremembering or have misunderstood things). How exactly do you plan on adding this, and are you afraid that it might undermine the game's current medical system, especially in fortress mode? If so, how do you plan on preventing that?
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If you're so sure that you're gonna end up killing all of dwarven civilization, why not make a statue depicting 2147483647 dead dwarves, all of which are burning? Name it something good, like Deaddead the Dead Dead Dead-Dead of Dying. Just put it in the main hall or something, as a grim reminder that they're all gonna die.

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6024 on: October 02, 2024, 08:17:36 am »

First of all: the Steam version is fantastic, well worth the price.
Secondly: do you know exactly what causes this bug? https://dwarffortressbugtracker.com/view.php?id=11458
I believe it's the source of many a worldgen crash for people who have modded civs in their games.
Thirdly: will we see an expansion of good-sphere utilizations, like major blessings, spreading influence from rulers and such? On that note, how about neutral or non-aligned spheres?
Thanks in advance, last I was active I heard there were some health issues in real life so I hope those are all sorted.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6025 on: October 02, 2024, 11:30:35 am »

Secondly: do you know exactly what causes this bug? https://dwarffortressbugtracker.com/view.php?id=11458
I believe it's the source of many a worldgen crash for people who have modded civs in their games.

Should have been fixed with 50.13, "Fixed world gen crash from the appointing of chefs by demon rulers that had been influenced by outside reading materials on decorum and leisure time"
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6026 on: October 02, 2024, 12:24:04 pm »

Secondly: do you know exactly what causes this bug? https://dwarffortressbugtracker.com/view.php?id=11458
I believe it's the source of many a worldgen crash for people who have modded civs in their games.

Should have been fixed with 50.13, "Fixed world gen crash from the appointing of chefs by demon rulers that had been influenced by outside reading materials on decorum and leisure time"

I've had quite a few worldgen crashes using the latest beta, and I just learned that this might've been the cause. So far removing NO_EAT and NO_DRINK from my mods seems to have prevented crashing up until the 1000's at least although it's very hard to determine due to how hard it is to diagnose the root causes
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« Reply #6027 on: October 02, 2024, 12:33:19 pm »

I'm also noticing a weird trend of mummies, reanimated corpses and experiments becoming civilized members during worldgen and acting as if they weren't OPPOSED_TO_LIFE
« Last Edit: October 02, 2024, 01:07:59 pm by evil_pigeon »
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« Reply #6028 on: October 02, 2024, 01:01:15 pm »

I'm also noticing a weird trend of mummies, reanimated corpses and experiments becoming civilized members during worldgen and acting as if they weren't OPPOSED_TO_LIFE
Experiments don't have the [OPPOSED_TO_LIFE] tag I think
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #6029 on: October 02, 2024, 01:09:54 pm »

I'm also noticing a weird trend of mummies, reanimated corpses and experiments becoming civilized members during worldgen and acting as if they weren't OPPOSED_TO_LIFE
Experiments don't have the [OPPOSED_TO_LIFE] tag I think
It's definitely happening with reanimated corpses and mummies though
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