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[TolyK]

Tolyk:
You are town in a BYOR, but have an ability that changes your alignment to match the target's.
Do you play as town or as survivor pre-ability-use? who do you use that ability on and when?

In that case I'd potentially just side with whoever is winning in the end... yes, I'm selfish. But that's literally the only thing I can do...

I'd scumhunt to a degree, but be not-very-pushy, since I plan on surviving. The role formulation is probably better than a pure survivor, in game terms, since it makes me want to be active to win. It's also an inspect, basically. So I'd try to find mafia players (or, preferably, SK's so that I could out them first ), not tell them everything (duh), and see what my best chances of winning are (likely, with the mafia).

Balancing "living" and "using information" (and "giving information to town") would be pretty hard.


By the way, that sounds like something higher in power level than what I have, so my base assumption is that you have some better abilities than on average, and thus you're less likely to be town in my book, Lenglon. Just a heads-up. Do you think I've made a too rash decision here? (I'd vote you here as a pressure vote, but I'd rather not.)

[Lenglon]

Tolyk: Actually, I've still got Jack's theme on my mind. I assume you can see how my last several questions to various people relate to it.

Do you have a mechanical reason for not making an actual vote against me or is it a policy one? (I am fine with you waiting to answer this until later during D1 so long as it does eventually get answered.)

[TolyK]

You've made several survivor-ish comments, among others... it makes sense, but I'm guessing you have a scenario in mind.

About not voting - I'd rather not disclose that ATM. Indeed, ask me again later. I'll probably answer after the experiment with Jack, if he accepts.

[webadict]

Webadict: Will themes flip alongside roles?

No. Themes were added for flavorings roles and the game. I threw them in a list and added how I liked. Someone got something from it.

[doll]

My role is pretty genki!!

I'll explain why I can tell you this in a bit

Spoiler: Replies to RVS (click to show/hide)

This is when we get a good look at our mourners, with their wide array of colored hairs of varying length, dressed in cowboy hats, short skirts, and long stockings.
 
“Uyu… Who killed Webley-san? u.u”[/i]
 
Closing Music

This is my fault, if that wasn't obvious.

Spoiler: RVS Questions of One's Own (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: The Unique One and His Theme (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: The Secret of Selling Anything II: So Fucking Much Cocai- Caffeine (click to show/hide)

[doll]

Well that wasn't the preview button, ehhehe
gonna have to wait a bit for me to post, it won't be short

[Persus13]

Well, now I know how my theme got used.

Also, this game has hammers, so please be careful about bandwagons on people.

Jack A T

Persus13: I haven't played online Mafia for a few months.  How will this impact your view of my play, if at all?

Nothing major, but you probably won't be as familiar with the newest players as some others. So my view on your interactions with them will be affected by that.

4maskwolf

Jack A T: What I make of it is that this game is going to be a headache that makes me long for GBU 2.

Man that game was awhile ago. What about that game was headache inducing? Also, why do you bring up that game all the time?

Doll

My role is pretty genki!!

I'll explain why I can tell you this in a bit

Spoiler: Replies to RVS (click to show/hide)

This is when we get a good look at our mourners, with their wide array of colored hairs of varying length, dressed in cowboy hats, short skirts, and long stockings.
 
“Uyu… Who killed Webley-san? u.u”[/i]
 
Closing Music

This is my fault, if that wasn't obvious.

And the rest of the OP was my fault. Did you try to be witty and send in a musical theme too?

Lenglon:  You've been pretty active, why haven't you asked me a question?
OSG: I know I've played with you before, but I can't remember when. How would you evaluate your Mafia experience.
Fallacy of Urist: What's your favorite mafia game on Bay12 you've played? Why?
Shakerag: How would you compare the player makeup of this BYOR to the last one?

[doll]

My role is pretty genki!!

I'll explain why I can tell you this in a bit

Spoiler: Replies to RVS (click to show/hide)

This is when we get a good look at our mourners, with their wide array of colored hairs of varying length, dressed in cowboy hats, short skirts, and long stockings.
 
“Uyu… Who killed Webley-san? u.u”[/i]
 
Closing Music

This is my fault, if that wasn't obvious.
That answers your question too, Persus13.
I'm curious to what degree my theme made it into everyone's role flavor, though.

...what did I just listen to.

It seems like either you were the only person who listened to the music, or this is somehow par for the course.

Now, to start the game talking to the person I'm sure I'll spend the rest of the game bickering and/or allying with...

Doll: You're a cop in this BYOR with a guilty result on someone.  Do you claim, and what circumstances would change your answer?

sumimasen, I'll be dead soon, you'll have to go on without me.
Unless I kill you, of course.

Sure, I'll claim.
I'm fullclaiming this Day1, and quite early into it too, so that'll be fun, eh?

Also outside of outlandish role circumstances (my role is pretty outlandish, so that's hardly an outlandish scenario) I'd claim as soon as a I got a guilty anyway.
You know how much I love to drop my role on the table.

Doll: You are town with a unlimited-use flavor-inspect and a 1-shot role inspect, when do you use the role-inspect? when do you claim? how would this change if the use numbers were reversed?

I am town with an unlimited-use something (actually, lots of unlimited-use things) but that's now what you mean because I'm not restricted by the action economy, nano ne.

I role-inspect N1 because the sooner I don't need to dodge the scumkill the sooner I can take full control of the town and force things my way. I appreciate that a lot of scum on B12 might not claim their flavor but that's a rookie's mistake imo so I'm hardly concerned by it anyway (anyone who slips like that will slip a thousand times more around role claiming time) so the flavor inspect is virtually useless to me anyway.

And last because it actually involves some work:

And so it starts.

A claim: My theme is the balance of threat, a concept from my field of study, international relations.  Yes, my theme is the apparent basis of the title flabort did not get.

Why am I claiming this?  Because.
doll: As our resident expert on pre-game discussion analysis, what do you make of the above?

For reference, I hadn't analyzed the pre-game. Taking active part in the pre-game to try to win involves planting hooks which someone will think back on in response to certain events (like rolling scum, for the obvious one) and changes in behavior, either direct (asking about an unpursued line of inquiry) or otherwise, should give me some idea what hooks stuck and which didn't.
I didn't do that because it's tedious and boring and I wouldn't have had time for it anyway. Similarly, I don't bah-post because the only reason to do so (vis-a-vis playing to win) is to actually manipulate the game with spectral wifom etc.

I've actually got a pretty good answer for this question, surprisingly:
Bay12 players in general read far too much into the importance of a role's name in relation to it's actual mechanics and flavor. Role names have no actual inherent connection to mechanics, you know? But this is a holdover, I suspect, from bastard mafia games where flavor is essential to figuring out how to play.
With this in mind, claiming your theme is therefore something a staunch B12 player swimming in the culture of the site such as yourself might think of as a bit raunchy and ambitious. It's not though.
It's clear that you set up this question beforehand. The towniness of the question is therefore very minimal; it's effectively neutral. I'd lean towards saying that scum might not be quite so honest in the sense that sinx isn't quite x when x is equal to zero.

That said, as a tool to harass 4maskwolf and to get me to prattle on, it's quite practical, so it is a good RVS question.
Congrats, you're not useless.
You're probably town.
I guess I won't kill you tonight.

Also you contradicted a lot of what I wrote above before I wrote it but I hadn't actually read that (and wouldn't have if I had replied faster) so it's all a bit too much of a bother to go back over it, dawa.

Spoiler: RVS Questions of One's Own (click to show/hide)

Shakerag
Other people are acting like their roles aren't crazy strong, which is odd because my role is crazy strong.
Can you break the action economy wide open, kill/revive multiple players in the same cycle, or otherwise totally control the game with the strength of your role like I can?
Would you prefer not to answer this?
Is it worth giving up a random kill (from me) in order to out your role 100% to the town?

flabort
Helps when you post, nano.
I'm killing multiple people tonight.
You can't stop me.
Why shouldn't I kill you?

TheDarkStar
Do I need to worry about your lethargy in the daygame this time?
Do you have an information role?
Do you have a killing role?
Are you a third party?

Lenglon
My RVS questions are a bit pointed, eh?
You're posting and therefore good enough in my book, I'll skip RVS here and ask you some real questions later.

After all, I only have one day to decide your alignment.
Oh, and the part after that.

Tiruin
Like I said, I'm mostly skipping RVS this time because I've only got a day to play the game in.
After that I'll be dead, though my ghost (and my theme) will live on.
Or uh, not live on but still have actions within the game.
Anyway, I suspect the language barrier is going to get to be more a problem the more I slip in japanese sentence endings, so if it's not super obvious to you what I'm going for and someone else seems to get it, you can ask yo.

Oh, and I don't like asking you RVS questions because your mindset is opaque and transparent in different ways to most of the other players, so I'll try to keep my reads of you clean.
After all, I only have a day to decide whether or not to kill you.

origamiscienceguy
You're a mildly active, semi-competant mafia player.
That usually makes you real easy to read, and so not a real threat nor a real liability.
Who should I kill tonight and why?

TolyK
Well, you're TolyK, so this level of silly is just about appropriate for you.
Now, I'm town, and I guarantee you my role is an absurdity and a black hole of infinite energy and activity.
If you're a low power role, does that mean low power is the norm and I'm an exception?
Does this mean that senpai loves me, kashira?
I can revive one of the people I kill. Logically, that means that at least one of my kills should be on a role it's worth getting the word out about. Also, I guess they can't really get scumkilled on that night where I kill them, eh? That's sort of like a superior protect, yone.
Does this mean that certain types of high powered town roles should claim now for my and their and therefore town's benefit?

hector13
Blah blah competent player don't want to clog this up with RVS is that a good idea kashira nano desu ne
Is what I'm doing a good idea at all, do you think?

FallacyOfUrist
What's your role, FoU-chan?

Persus13
I take it your theme was 'western' and that you didn't specify how it should be used.
I was surprised to learn that I don't have a photo of a doll in a cowboy hat on me, I thought I did, otherwise I would have changed my avatar.
Do you think that themes are really going to matter in this game at all outside of how much fun we have from the flavor etc.? I'm leaning towards saying they won't, desu.

Jack A T
I was going to ask you a serious of questions about your tendency to read too far into things, like into town werebears and cop sanity and etc. in games and ask about how my asking about that influenced how you saw me and everything and such but my role is too powerful for that and I need to get something done before I die instead, nano des.

Though you've done some good work in eliciting a response for me, it's all for naught because I'm confirmed town, desu. Good work on drawing out 4maskwolf, he's a tough one to crack when he's town, nano.

Anyway, I'll leave it as your responsibility to get me a good read on 4maskwolf this Day 1. If you can't do that, I guess you're just not trying hard enough and that's very punishable today, desu.

4maskwolf
Is this GENKI!! enough for you, 4mask-chan?
What's your theme?
Are you going to treat me like town?

Tea
From what I saw, you're a very reliable player, like OSG but moreso.
Keep up the good work.

Pozzai
You're new, so a default kill/empty lynch because presumably you're either very easily read (and become very towny very quickly) or very useless and ambiguous all game long.
What are you going to do to shift my malice off of you?

TheBiggerFish
As above, except re: you're useless

Webadict-san
I'll be with you in deadchat soon, senpai.
W-wait for me, kudasai.

Spoiler: The Unique One and His Theme (click to show/hide)

My theme is:
denpa
I did nothing to counteract or elaborate on that earlier post, so presumably it's applied to the whole game.
Have fun.

I know I will, desu.

Eh, I'll wait just a bit before full claiming.
For now though:
1) I'm dying tonight
2) I'm unblockable
3) My role is very strong
4) I suspect that there may exist daygame powers which can snipe me before I get to night 1
5) That includes voting control powers
6) Therefore, anyone who votes me today is madcrazy suspicious if I don't get all my fireworks off
7) Therefore, don't vote me if you are town
8) I'm probably going to get daykilled or something anyway
9) Jokes on you scum, you I actually need to make it to Day 2 and couldn't think of a good way to dodge the scumkill
10) Have fun with the wifom, nano desu

[origamiscienceguy]

Pfp I only have access tons computer a few hours per day. (Naptime. And late at night) all my siblings are like vultures.

I'll come Putnam claim my theme. It was music. Turbo's probably why there was music in the op.

[origamiscienceguy]

Holy auto-correct batman.

Anyways, I'll answer Eva questions during myncomputer time. And I'll use my phone for comments and stuff.

[doll]

Like, re-read your posts before submitting them, yo.
That's some pretty illegible auto-correct you've got there, my man.

[TolyK]

<words>

That was difficult to read through.

TolyK
Well, you're TolyK, so this level of silly is just about appropriate for you.
Now, I'm town, and I guarantee you my role is an absurdity and a black hole of infinite energy and activity.
If you're a low power role, does that mean low power is the norm and I'm an exception?
Does this mean that senpai loves me, kashira?

Obviously, can't take your guarantee at face value. Especially the Town part, which you don't guarantee, anyways.
Assuming neither of us are lying, it can be one of several things:
- you have a large upside and downside to your role, so while it's high-variance, the mean power is approx. the same.
- there's a hidden rule (role or theme) that modifies someone's behavior.
- one of us is the exception to the rule.

I can revive one of the people I kill. Logically, that means that at least one of my kills should be on a role it's worth getting the word out about. Also, I guess they can't really get scumkilled on that night where I kill them, eh? That's sort of like a superior protect, yone.
Does this mean that certain types of high powered town roles should claim now for my and their and therefore town's benefit?

That kind of ability would potentially be useful.
I don't see how high-power players would prefer to be dead to your hand (an unknown) rather than probably alive.

Eh, I'll wait just a bit before full claiming.
For now though:
1) I'm dying tonight
2) I'm unblockable
3) My role is very strong
4) I suspect that there may exist daygame powers which can snipe me before I get to night 1
5) That includes voting control powers
6) Therefore, anyone who votes me today is madcrazy suspicious if I don't get all my fireworks off
7) Therefore, don't vote me if you are town
I'm probably going to get daykilled or something anyway
9) Jokes on you scum, you I actually need to make it to Day 2 and couldn't think of a good way to dodge the scumkill
10) Have fun with the wifom, nano desu

I'll take this as "I'm spewing nonsense to get people focused on me".

Why do you want to claim on D1 again? You've basically went and said "you should totally shoot me, but you can't shoot me, haHA"... you can defer to answer this later, if you want, of course. But currently I'll go with my hypothesis.

My problem is that you're trying to get other power roles to claim. We don't know anything at all right now, besides what each of our own roles are.

Also, your posts are a bit stream-of-consciousness, doll. That makes them hard to read.

[doll]

My problem is that you're trying to get other power roles to claim.

Well, I mean, yeah.
What's the most common power role in mafia games?
I'll give you a hint: it's mafia-scum.

Oh, and what does and doesn't qualify as a power role depends a lot on how well my vortex of stimulants will benefit them, so it's pretty well in my interests to scope out honest power roles before I do anyeverything

We don't know anything at all right now, besides what each of our own roles are.

You know that I'm claiming D1, for a start.
The fact that I've laid that down both gives you a reason to defer suspicion of myself to later days, and a reason to trust what I say, so long as, again, I turn up dead on D2.

I can see how it might appear that this is yet another gambit.
Sure, it might be, but I can't see myself doing it as anything other than town with a very short activity horizon (which, incidentally, is what I am except I'm also actually honest. Oh, and I have post-death role powers)
Or some wacky third party, but hey, I'll be dead so you can see that I'm town for yourself, nano ne

Also, your posts are a bit stream-of-consciousness, doll. That makes them hard to read.

Ah, also my posts are hard to read.
And stream of consciousness, hai. But that just makes it easier to read into me, yone.
Anyway, I'm being honest.
Since I know I'm clear, activity focused on me is wasted, and that means you're not doing much productive, which is bad in my eyes. That's bad for you, see, since I can kill you, and ah, well, you can't kill me because, aha. I'm going to be ingesting many times my bodyweight in acutely toxic substances tonight, so go do something useful instead so I don't kill you, eh?

[FallacyofUrist]

One of these days I'm going to submit The Role That Makes RVS Unnecessary to a BYOR. One day.

Fallacy of Urist: What's your favorite mafia game on Bay12 you've played? Why?

*reminisces*

Did I spell that right? Anyhow... Flabort's High Powered BYOR 2 is second. If I wasn't killed by somebody giving me a "you can't win" role and stopping me from acting on only Night 2... bah, humbug. As a result, Mafia Marathon is my favorite game. 23 mini-setups, almost a year to play. It was my favorite because it was fun, and it took a while to end, and it was well designed... seriously, Tomasque is a master at mafia design. I'm honored to be working with him on Odd Mafia.

Return question: Is there much benefit to that RVS question?

FallacyOfUrist
What's your role, FoU-chan?

10) Have fun with the wifom, nano desu

What, expecting me to answer? How about this: I'll tell you what my role isn't. For Day 1: Seto Kaiba. That is, that's not my role.
Now, the question is, whether you're scum trying to get role information out of this, or town trying to see how I react to blatant role fishing.

Return question: Pick two of these five questions to answer.
1. Are you willing to provide a list of Japanese honorifics and what they mean to this forum?
2. Does your theme have anything to do with peacocks?
3. If you had a night kill that only works on cult leaders and survivors, would you use it in lieu of your normal actions?
4. If you had a self-revive that only works during the first two cycles, would you make an effort to direct the scum kill to yourself?
5. Rate each of these questions in terms of usefulness on a scale from 1 to 5 where 1 is the highest and 5 is the lowest.

FallacyOfUrist: What is the best way to place your vote in RVS?  Should multiple players vote for the same target in RVS?

On a player who made an answer you think is scummy. Yes, within reason. More pressure means more slipping up, but I wouldn't want somebody to be hammered or lynched based on RVS votes.

Return question: Do you think what I just said is true?
~~~
I think that's all the questions addressed to me. Did I miss any?

[doll]

FallacyOfUrist
What's your role, FoU-chan?

10) Have fun with the wifom, nano desu

What, expecting me to answer? How about this: I'll tell you what my role isn't. For Day 1: Seto Kaiba. That is, that's not my role.
Now, the question is, whether you're scum trying to get role information out of this, or town trying to see how I react to blatant role fishing.

Well, you know that I'm not scum because I'll flip on D2 when I die from an OD and subsequent withdrawal, so I guess the second?
Anyway, your response is awful and gives me nothing. Unfortunately, that's not outside of your meta. However, it's not what I want, since I need a strong read on you by the night, desu.

Return question: Pick two of these five questions to answer.
1. Are you willing to provide a list of Japanese honorifics and what they mean to this forum?
2. Does your theme have anything to do with peacocks?
3. If you had a night kill that only works on cult leaders and survivors, would you use it in lieu of your normal actions?
4. If you had a self-revive that only works during the first two cycles, would you make an effort to direct the scum kill to yourself?

1. An insubstantial list, I guess. There are a lot of japanese honorifics, and some of the usage I've adopted here is pretty damn peculiar outside of denpa singers, some of the more questionable seiyuus, and A-pop idols. Briefly:
desu is a general sentence ending
nano is a general expression peculiar to young girls trying to be cute
ka indicates a (hard) question (sou ka would be 'is that so?')
ne indicates a soft question (sou ne could be 'isn't it?'or 'that's so, yes?') - equivalent to uptalk in english
yo indicates an assertion and raises modality (daijoubo yo could be 'it will be fine, you know)
dawa sort of indicates exasperation, it'd take more space to explain this one because it's used in different context mostly and I'm sort of loaning it in the usual way you do for this sort of thing
kashira is mostly getting used here to indicate my reflection over what I've just said (a state of wondering, as it were)
2. I've claimed my theme. I could easily see peacocks as being used in denpa, outside of their maleness, but only in overwhelming quantity.
3. No, I'd use it as well as my normal actions because I have infinite actions (assuming I kill myself by going into a negative amount of my finite resource)
4. I'd just take aggressive control of the town by posting an awful lot in a conventional and productive way, with no effort made to dodge the scum kill. If you play well and a lot and you don't try to dodge the kill, it's pretty likely that you'll move the kill onto yourself if it were to be possible to do so without compromising your or the town's position.
FoU
There's no need to scumhunt me, I'm dying by my own hand before D2.
Go do something productive instead.