Voting and ethics are all over each other. voting is pretty much a purely ethics-based entity. Saying that a vote-box has nothing to do with ethics is like saying that a generator has nothing to do with electrical theory.
No such thing as a pointless design, they all come from some sort of intention. If the sole intent is humour, then fine, unless someone sees value in it regardless of its purely humour-based roots the it is just another piece of discussion and not actually a suggestion. On the other hand, if anyone at any point has genuinely thought that it would be worthwhile then it is a real suggestion, and no individual has any means of demonstrating the objective superiority necessary to dictate that someone else's proposal is not valid for listing.
Variations on an idea are really good. It is starting with a theme, seeing a way that it could potentially be better, an then offering a revised proposal that is, hopefully, better than any of the contributors could have achieved alone. Obviously proper labelling in important to differentiate similar proposals. I recall a particularly unfortunate...
UF-HT-42 "Annihilator" Pattern C
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a large V12 engine. It uses a 110mm sliding block breach cannon as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a shell-ejector system added to allow for quicker reloading. The tank is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and another UF-AC41 in a commander cupola turret with a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia above it. The turret is armored with 160mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor (Super Heavy), and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 120mm sloped RHA (Extra Heavy), has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull (Heavy), and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads, as well as being utilized as the size of the tank's spaced armor (Medium). The armored skirts are made of Manganese steel alloy and the piping for the coolant systems, as well as some other internal parts, are composed of Aluminium.
Target Cost: 8 Ore (1 Mn, 1 Al), 4 Oil. (Very expensive first turn, but historically Canalla has needed a Massive Naval Advantage to land in the north, not something I think they will get in one turn, so this is likely to drop to Expensive)
UF-HT-42 "Annihilator" Pattern D
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a large V12 engine. It uses a 110mm sliding block breach cannon as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a shell-ejector system added to allow for quicker reloading. The tank is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and another UF-AC41 in a commander cupola turret with a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia above it. The turret is armored with 120mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor (Extra Heavy), and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 90mm sloped RHA (Heavy), has 70mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull (Heavy), and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads as well as being utilized as the size of the tank's spaced armor (Medium). The armored skirts are made of Manganese steel alloy and the piping for the coolant systems, as well as some other internal parts, are composed of Aluminium.
Target Cost: 7 Ore (1 Mn, 1 Al), 4 Oil.
UF-HT-42 "Annihilator" Pattern E
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a large V12 engine. It uses a shortened B2 Destroyer modified to use a sliding block breach as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a shell-ejector system added to allow for quicker reloading. The tank is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and another UF-AC41 in a commander cupola turret with a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia above it. The turret is armored with 160mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor (Super Heavy), and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 120mm sloped RHA (Extra Heavy), has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull (Heavy), and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads, as well as being utilized as the size of the tank's spaced armor (Medium). The armored skirts are made of Manganese steel alloy and the piping for the coolant systems, as well as some other internal parts, are composed of Aluminium.
Target Cost: 8 Ore (1 Mn, 1 Al), 4 Oil. (Very expensive first turn, but historically Canalla has needed a Massive Naval Advantage to land in the north, not something I think they will get in one turn, so this is likely to drop to Expensive)
UF-HT-42 "Annihilator" Pattern F
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a large V12 engine. It uses a shortened B2 Destroyer modified to use a sliding block breach as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a shell-ejector system added to allow for quicker reloading. The tank is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and another UF-AC41 in a commander cupola turret with a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia above it. The turret is armored with 120mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor (Extra Heavy), and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 90mm sloped RHA (Heavy), has 70mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull (Heavy), and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads as well as being utilized as the size of the tank's spaced armor (Medium). The armored skirts are made of Manganese steel alloy and the piping for the coolant systems, as well as some other internal parts, are composed of Aluminium.
Target Cost: 7 Ore (1 Mn, 1 Al), 4 Oil.
UF-HT-42 "Annihilator" Pattern G
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a large V12 engine. It uses a shortened B2 Destroyer as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a shell-ejector system added to allow for quicker reloading. The tank is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and another UF-AC41 in a commander cupola turret with a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia above it. The turret is armored with 160mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor (Super Heavy), and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 120mm sloped RHA (Extra Heavy), has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull (Heavy), and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads, as well as being utilized as the size of the tank's spaced armor (Medium). The armored skirts are made of Manganese steel alloy and the piping for the coolant systems, as well as some other internal parts, are composed of Aluminium.
Target Cost: 8 Ore (1 Mn, 1 Al), 4 Oil. (Very expensive first turn, but historically Canalla has needed a Massive Naval Advantage to land in the north, not something I think they will get in one turn, so this is likely to drop to Expensive)
UF-HT-42 "Annihilator" Pattern H
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a large V12 engine. It uses a shortened B2 Destroyer as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a shell-ejector system added to allow for quicker reloading. The tank is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and another UF-AC41 in a commander cupola turret with a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia above it. The turret is armored with 120mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor (Extra Heavy), and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 90mm sloped RHA (Heavy), has 70mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull (Heavy), and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads as well as being utilized as the size of the tank's spaced armor (Medium). The armored skirts are made of Manganese steel alloy and the piping for the coolant systems, as well as some other internal parts, are composed of Aluminium.
Target Cost: 7 Ore (1 Mn, 1 Al), 4 Oil.
UF-TD-42 "Endbringer" Pattern B
A Tank Destroyer that utilizes a large V12 engine. It uses a casemated 150mm gun taken from the UFN-CA-41 Catraphract. The tank destroyer is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and another UF-AC41 in a commander cupola turret with a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia above it. The front is armored with 160mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor (Super Heavy), and has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull (Heavy). It has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the treads The armored skirts are made of Manganese steel alloy and the piping for the coolant systems are composed of Aluminium.
Target Cost: 7 Ore (1 Mn, 1 Al), 4 Oil.
There are, like, two different cost categories and two different weapon systems or something, they could be way more succinctly named than just successive letters, and the order could probably be better too... Distinctions this poorly highlighted are very difficult to focus on. It should be very obvious that this same listing could be issued with far greater clarity and the problem of indistinctness would vanish.
A well-formatted votebox can completely negate all these issues. Currently there are three proposals, there are currently zero problems with clutter.
It is a votebox. It "makes sense" when it is a listing of items upon which can be voted. It is primarily used to tally votes. Find me a votebox that makes the actual current votes confusing and then there might be some evidence for such a things as a votebox that doesn't "make sense" due to votespam. If, on the other hand, one is looking at the votebox and expecting a divine bolt of inspiration to strike them with an epiphany of the true heart of the proposals that will blast away all confusion and leave them with total clarity of what they must do, then they are doing it wrong. Voteboxes aren't supposed to make that sort of sense... If you wanna vote for a pretty name, then go for it, plenty of people do, but if you want to actually know what you are voting for then you gotta go back and look everything up, and for that it sure would be nice if everything on offer were listed in some clear and accessible location...
Spotting the differences is a matter of clarity of naming. All of our current names are pretty terrible with respect to describing their content. "A" is, of course, the worst of the lot. "Zero supporters" is indicative of a lack of current trending elements and "Boring" highlights a lack of creativity. On can extract some minor level of data from that. It is extremely vague and has a great potential to be misleading, but there is at least some hints from which to extrapolate. "A" is the single most pointless, nonsensical, and difficult-to-remember thing in the whole votebox right now. Which speaks poorly of the source's ability to discern what most people are likely to recall, comprehend, and see purpose from.
The votebox is not a detailed exploration of the current proposals. It is a simple list to guide votes to valid proposals and collate votes to determine the most supported items. If clarity becomes so bad that nobody can identify a specific proposal that they wished to vote for, that people can't identify different proposals' titles so as to research their content, or that the G.M. can't figure out which proposal won, then yes, the clutter is out of hand. The clutter never gets that out of hand...
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