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[nenjin]

Yeah the detection radius and reaction time of orks was laughable in SoM. I wonder if that's tethered to your difficulty level in SoW.

To be fair though, it would have been damn near impossible to go anywhere in SoM without killing an orc if they'd had stealth awareness that was up to par. It was the kind of stealth designed to make players feel clever and edgy, not actually challenge them.

Maybe. I know it's not a stealth game, but they could at least do with a somewhat better awareness radius and a longer list of alerts. Guards in Dishonored would notice things like a missing man, open security door, or deactivated machine, even if they didn't find a body or see you messing with stuff. It probably wouldn't be too hard to make the existing groups of orcs notice that their 3 man squad now has 2 men in it, or that they guy watching the northern approach to the building they're camped in is gone, and react appropriately. If they had that, and they telegraphed their strikes a little less (they're already surprisingly good about attacking you all at once instead of one at a time) I'd be pretty happy with it.

There's a basic form of that in SoM. If Orcs see a dead body they'll alert and bring other orcs running.

But since they're orcs they give about 15 seconds of fucks before saying something like "I didn't like him anyways" or "He probably deserved it!" and go back to drinking grog.

[nenjin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o6hc3Wv0Nw

Shorter gameplay stream demoing an already month old build. (They're saving the freshest build for E3.)

What jumps out at me immediately is they've cleaned up the abilities screen. The unlocks are no longer displayed clearly. Some are there but they're essentially invisible until you move over them with the selector. So it's not clear what abilities have additional options and which don't, or if they've just hidden the unfinished ones. Hopefully most of it is still there. But with the delay being announced, it's not impossible that some stuff that was planned for the final build has now had the axe taken to it.

And it's confirmed the combo counter, while no longer governing when you can do executions, does determine overall damage and "range" of your attacks the higher it goes.

Combat brands and stuff now run off of might too. Oof. That certainly cuts down on your ability to just heal in combat when you're in trouble.

Orcs can kill you and break your weapon, and you have to like...hunt them down and take revenge, then you get a better version of that weapon back? Not super clear but sounds neat.

Most of the ability unlocks seem to follow the pattern: either they're passive enhancements to abilities that don't really require to you to do anything, or they're active enhancements that require timing and flawless play to get to work. Not a bad little schema, IMO, compared to SoM where you felt like most of the upgrades made the game way too easy on you.

And damn do they do a lot of standing around waiting for enemies to attack. The only thing that does damage to them in this demo when they're trying to get hurt are the fucking archers.

[Neonivek]

Combat brands and stuff now run off of might too. Oof. That certainly cuts down on your ability to just heal in combat when you're in trouble

That is how it worked in the first game. You either got an execution or a combat brand.

[nenjin]

Combat brands and stuff now run off of might too. Oof. That certainly cuts down on your ability to just heal in combat when you're in trouble

That is how it worked in the first game. You either got an execution or a combat brand.

Yeah but it was easier to build on the combo counter than it is to build might in this game. I could have an execution or a combat drain ready ready in hitting a couple guys a couple times. Now you, even with the right traits to build might faster, it's a lot slower than just laying in to a few guys so you can squeak off a life-saving combat brand.

[Neonivek]

Combat brands and stuff now run off of might too. Oof. That certainly cuts down on your ability to just heal in combat when you're in trouble

That is how it worked in the first game. You either got an execution or a combat brand.

Yeah but it was easier to build on the combo counter than it is to build might in this game. I could have an execution or a combat drain ready ready in hitting a couple guys a couple times. Now you, even with the right traits to build might faster, it's a lot slower than just laying in to a few guys so you can squeak off a life-saving combat brand.

It was because of the person's selection of upgrades, as well as the fact that the might bar has a normal and double charge (the double charge is for even more powerful finishers), the person skimped out on doing single finishers quite a bit.

It can build really quick had it been set up for it. That and if the person stopped getting hit...

Though yeah given that the final upgrades essentially made it so you got TWO finishers every Two-Three hits. Yeah you don't have that level of execution power. I'd say you don't got that much branding power, but... there are... ways.

[Chiefwaffles]

Neonivek sees this:

OHHHHH!!! I see

People are projecting hype onto the videos. So this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Looks like this to you:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

No wonder you guys are taking my criticism so personally.

I see this:

I don't like it so no one else can either.

[Neonivek]

I don't like it so no one else can either.

Given that you had to completely bastardize what I said in order to get this version...

You need to stop projecting your hype of the game onto me. I know your excited for the game and are willing to overlook things here and there, but those things still exist and it isn't like I haven't been very clear that I only say them on a "the game is unfinished" basis.

I am not even trying to make you see the flaws, I don't even care if you notice the very odd blood splattering effect and pallid complexion. It is just REALLY odd that a off negative comment has apparently rabble roused people. Dude, its a Beta! Can you please wait until we got a polished version before combing what I say for dissenting opinions? Just save the hate... I am sure I'll probably have something when the game comes out.

[nenjin]

It is just REALLY odd that a off negative comment has apparently rabble roused people.

Spoiler: Good god here we go again (click to show/hide)

Because you exaggerate then back away and go "What, what did I say? Whhhhaaaaattttttt?" and still stand by what you say. It's like you refuse to be held to the words you just wrote, but you won't back away from them either.

The last Gameplay video... looked horrible in everyway.

I think we can downgrade "Extremely overly critical" down to "Critical", just saying.

This....this is why we feel like we're talking to a squid sometimes.

You in one post exaggerate for effect, and in your second post actually ask someone to dial back their characterization of you! Like THEY were too extreme in their choice of words.

We don't know how to square this with your otherwise intelligent conversation. Seriously. You type hundreds more words to defend 8 words that, for some reason, you cannot admit was an exaggeration. "Everything." LITERALLY EVERYTHING? "Yes, literally everything." You say "Oh it's just a harmless little negative comment." Then MAYBE don't exaggerate it to "The entire game and everything in it is horrible" and then turn around and accuse of us projection, or being fan boys (Or not knowing the definition of words or "not even knowing what we're angry about" like we're the clueless ones here.)

Christ man. You can admit you make things literal when they don't need to be and we would have nothing to argue about. We'd hear your negative opinion and just not respond to it, or if we did, get more than a one liner out of you and actually talk about stuff.

But you can't blame us for interpreting exactly what you say exactly as you wrote it, like the optimal solution is us reading your mind and going "Oh well he obviously doesn't mean everything in game" after you just trashed it. If you mean that, WRITE IT THAT WAY. And if you mean "literally everything", then maybe make a game so we can demolish your hard work with one glib comment so you can see how, on pretty much any day, that's not a fair statement to make. We're not this mad because of hype. This has nothing to do ultimately with SoW and everything to do with you. And yes, I mean everything.

I can't believe this conversation has happened, AGAIN. You say it's "odd" like you're implying you're being ganged up on, or there's something wrong with us. The only thing odd is that after having this pointed out about your posting style, having more than one person react to you this way, time and again over the years....you still do it, and act confused or puzzled or bemused when it happens. Maybe try actually putting some effort into your little dissenting opinions so stuff like this stops happening, and you can stop feeling so misunderstood/projected on/whatever you call it that makes you feel not culpable.

[Neonivek]

I can't believe this conversation has happened, AGAIN. You say it's "odd" like you're implying you're being ganged up on, or there's something wrong with us

Then let me rectify that. There is something wrong with you people. No implication or hints.

I mean for example:

"The entire game and everything in it is horrible"

Does not exist and is not implied or suggested. It cannot be confused for anything I said unless the person reading it applies additional non-existent meaning.

So if you are wondering why my stance is that I think this entire thing is odd. Look no further than people saying things completely fallacious, yet I am sure they believe them wholeheartedly.

That is why I am incredulous right now.

Which I'd honestly would drop, if you guys weren't ghosts!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Neonivek being extremely overly critical?
nooooooo...

It's important to keep in mind that Neonivek's posts are filtering in from a parallel universe.  Not everything completely jives and things are sometimes lost in translation.

Well most of your posts tend to be like that so it tends towards that idea that all you do is criticize.

[nenjin]

How are we supposed to interpret your blanket statement? You didn't specify until you were asked and it confirms your original statement. I've honestly probably watched the video more than you have and I can't agree that everything is horrible. Some things are rough, some things don't come through a video at 720p. There's such a thing as a measured response.

It's like part of me agrees with some of your sentiments but not how you choose to present them. More words, fewer blanket statements. I read forums, not minds.

[Neonivek]

How are we supposed to interpret your blanket statement?

The last Gameplay video... looked horrible in everyway.

So there you go. I don't see where you get "The entire game", forget the other aspects that make this more obvious.

Forget everything else, forget everything I said during that quote, after that quote. Heck forget the context that would contain the interpretations.

So forgive me if I think you are doing some "creative" interpretations.

[nenjin]

If it was anyone other than me who said it. Would you have taken the extra leap of logic to assume they meant they hate the entire game?

Depends on how many other threads I'd been in where they've been the dissenter.

But lets forget responses... Lets focus on what I said. IN FACT let us forget  my entire quote. How about we stick with one line?

Because I've honestly probably watched it more than you have, and that informs my reaction. Everything is not horrible. I wrote a giant wall of text I doubt anyone read but I point out where things looked good, and looked bad. "Everything" is wrong and honestly, a lazy read. If you're that willing to just blanket call it all shit.....can you not see how a leap of logic becomes a small step of logic, especially given all the history where you've been a dissenter? If everything in it is horrible now, what of the first gameplay video? How can that be worse than horrible?

I guess I still have to give it to you. If I'm going to be talking about literally, then no, by the literal definition you don't hate the entire game. Then again how can anyone tell when you dig in harder with stuff like this:

OHHHHH!!! I see

People are projecting hype onto the videos. So this:

Looks like this to you:

No wonder you guys are taking my criticism so personally.

It's the whole "I can give exaggerated criticism but how dare you react to it" thing that makes it frustrating talking to you sometimes. Because yes, "everything is horrible" is a bald face, lazy exaggeration.

[Neonivek]

You know what forget it. Have fun!

[Man of Paper]

In my headcanon the reason why the Orcs have a hard time detecting you is because you are as much wraith as man, and when Talion stealths he more or less becomes a ghostly shadow stalking Mordor.

 

[lordcooper]

He'll start insisting that Mordor is literally "R'llll'yay'eh" next