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[Bumber]

Ready for another bizzaro Hunter Biden story?

[Arx]

There's a difference between behavior and sexuality.

Of course, and both are subordinate to the will with enough effort.

There aren't any shortcuts, though. You do have to go through the whole process of moving the Overton window. Find a point on the spectrum where you feel like "okay, this isn't so bad," then get accustomed to it (and move on to the new point). Many young weeby types these days do it with trap manga.

I'm just going to go ahead and say that unless you can provide a peer reviewed, conclusive, well-conducted study supporting the idea that any person can voluntarily change their sexuality it sits comfortably in the realm of "conjectures contradicting the current consensus". If it was as simple as you say, you wouldn't hear all the stories of gay men spending decades in loveless marriages attempting to be straight. And conversion therapy would work, especially for the people who don't want to be gay.

This is of course an aside to the whole paedophile discussion, to which I would like to contribute a note that I don't think "shun and kill" is ever a healthy response to anything; individuals that can't fit safely into society are to be pitied and helped, not murdered. Not least because it's rarely actually their fault in any conscious sense.

[Maximum Spin]

If it was as simple as you say, you wouldn't hear all the stories of gay men spending decades in loveless marriages attempting to be straight. And conversion therapy would work, especially for the people who don't want to be gay.

Well, neither of those is the right way to do it. Sexuality absolutely is fluid, but it also can't just be moved directly from point A to point B by main force.

ETA: Also, though I can't confirm this part, I think you probably have to start from a position of acceptance of your current state before you can move it. You'd have to be comfortable with what you currently like in order to find the edges of the distribution honestly. "People who don't want to be gay" aren't going to be able to perform the basic step of starting with something you're currently marginally attracted to and getting comfortable with it.

[Arx]

While that stance sounds reasonable it continues to not be the citation that is needed.

[martinuzz]

I kinda hope that the 200000 voters in Georgia that do not have a driver's license start a mass lawsuit against the state to demand the state pays driving lessons and a driver's license for them so they retain their constitutional right to vote.

Ofcourse, blind people and people with other disabilities that make driving impossible should just get the driver's license without needing lessons first.

How is it even legally possible to demand a driver's license to be able to vote? What's wrong with a passport / ID card?


EDIT: geesh, that whole package of voting law changes in Georgia.. It looks more like a declaration of independence than voting law changes.

[Maximum Spin]

While that stance sounds reasonable it continues to not be the citation that is needed.

You'd be amazed how many true things are not the subject of peer-reviewed studies!

Look, I don't want to get into the details, but this is not "conjecture", it's tested. It's also not contrary to the current consensus, which is that sexuality is fluid. Everything the brain does is subject to the will under the right circumstances. You can learn to control your hypothalamic temperature regulation system, why would you think a much more abstract, higher-level autonomic process would be less accessible?

I don't actually care if I'm believed, though. I merely wish to state the truth with vigor. The rest is up to the listener!

I kinda hope that the 200000 voters in Georgia that do not have a driver's license start a mass lawsuit against the state to demand the state pays driving lessons and a driver's license for them so they retain their constitutional right to vote.

Ofcourse, blind people and people with other disabilities that make driving impossible should just get the driver's license without needing lessons first.

How is it even legally possible to demand a driver's license to be able to vote? What's wrong with a passport / ID card?

Georgia's law does not require a driver's license as opposed to other forms of ID, who told you that? It absolutely even includes passports in the list of valid ID, as well as state-issued non-driver ID cards anyone can easily get.

[Doomblade187]

Yes, uh, "easily". Suuuuure. You still have to take time off work to go to the DMV, pay fees, and file paperwork, and wait in line, and if you time it poorly, come back another day...

And that's just the milder of the voter suppression measures in this undemocratic trashfire law, though calling it a trashfire is mean to trash fires.

Edit: oh right did I mention that this bill will heavily disenfranchise minorities, like the people who live in... Atlanta... Who turned Georgia blue last fall...

You get the idea.

[martinuzz]

Georgia's law does not require a driver's license as opposed to other forms of ID, who told you that? It absolutely even includes passports in the list of valid ID, as well as state-issued non-driver ID cards anyone can easily get.

New law change passed today. Update yourself.


https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/republikeinen-georgia-nemen-wet-aan-die-stemmen-moeilijker-maakt~bff5aa2b/

[Doomblade187]

Oh god it wasn't even it's own bill looks like:

The nearly 100-page measure was only formally unveiled last week, when it was abruptly inserted into another two-page bill.(Guardian USA)

[Maximum Spin]

Georgia's law does not require a driver's license as opposed to other forms of ID, who told you that? It absolutely even includes passports in the list of valid ID, as well as state-issued non-driver ID cards anyone can easily get.

New law change passed today. Update yourself.


https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/republikeinen-georgia-nemen-wet-aan-die-stemmen-moeilijker-maakt~bff5aa2b/

That's the law I'm talking about, yes. The full text is available online. It explicitly does not require a driver's license.

Yes, uh, "easily". Suuuuure. You still have to take time off work to go to the DMV, pay fees, and file paperwork, and wait in line, and if you time it poorly, come back another day...

You do not have to pay a fee for an ID card in Georgia. I have a non-driver ID from New York, it took less than an hour to get and no paperwork beyond the same bare minimum you'd have to do to, say, register to vote (although it does require an extremely small fee here). Anyone who cannot manage that, frankly, SHOULDN'T be voting.

Oh god it wasn't even it's own bill looks like:

The nearly 100-page measure was only formally unveiled last week, when it was abruptly inserted into another two-page bill.(Guardian USA)

That's kind of misleading. The two-page bill was about the same thing, it's not like it was just randomly pork-barreled into an appropriations bill or anything. Rather, it appears to have been expanded beyond all reason by the normal bureaucratic practice.

[Doomblade187]

"Anyone who cannot manage that, frankly, SHOULDN'T be voting."

Or maybe we should make voting as easy as possible so more people vote.

[Maximum Spin]

"Anyone who cannot manage that, frankly, SHOULDN'T be voting."

Or maybe we should make voting as easy as possible so more people vote.

I am pretty sure we can do without the votes of, for example, severely mentally handicapped people who cannot understand how to use a ballot, or Alzheimer's patients trying to vote for Nixon.

[Doomblade187]

"Anyone who cannot manage that, frankly, SHOULDN'T be voting."

Or maybe we should make voting as easy as possible so more people vote.

I am pretty sure we can do without the votes of, for example, severely mentally handicapped people who cannot understand how to use a ballot, or Alzheimer's patients trying to vote for Nixon.

Way to ad hominem everyone who messes up minor technical issues like updating voter precinct (manually) and can't vote because "same day voter registration bad"

[Maximum Spin]

"Anyone who cannot manage that, frankly, SHOULDN'T be voting."

Or maybe we should make voting as easy as possible so more people vote.

I am pretty sure we can do without the votes of, for example, severely mentally handicapped people who cannot understand how to use a ballot, or Alzheimer's patients trying to vote for Nixon.

Way to ad hominem everyone who messes up minor technical issues like updating voter precinct (manually) and can't vote because "same day voter registration bad"

That doesn't even make sense. Do you know what "ad hominem" means? I mean, obviously you don't. It has nothing to do with anything else in that sentence. Anyway, yeah, "minor technical issues" like, say, making sure you actually recorded a vote for the person you meant to vote for and not someone else have screwed up elections before, so I'm pretty willing to be a stickler about minor technical issues.

The assumption that "more votes is better" is ultimately just nonsense. It's an article of faith.

[Doomblade187]

Voter registration errors prevent people from voting on a regular basis - I have missed an election myself due to improper registration and was unable to fix it day of due to bad laws. Greater access to the ballot box is good.

And I don't care what the dictionary definition of ad hominem is, common usage refers to an attack on the character.