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[misko27]

Reuters is reporting US Officials saying that the Capitol Building has been secured.

[nenjin]

I dunno, I'm seeing a shitload of wincing going on right now.

[RedKing]

Many years ago it wasn't apparent to me how numerous and influential they were.  I was happier with that lack of knowledge, and I'll never be able to return to that.

It's easy to view a mob and be overwhelmed by their sheer numbers, to inflate their influence just by the sheer size of the crowd. Consider that if you combined all the people in America who aren't about this shit and put them on the street, the mob in DC would barely be a drop of water in the ocean.

Its not about the riot, its about the decade or more of republican action that caused people to storm the capitol to ensure their cult leader stays in power.  Its about a president showing check and balances are just words on paper and with enough court stacking and just the right amount of senate seats even the stupidest, most self destructive policy is possible.  Sure there are tons of people that wouldn't do go riot, but they also wouldn't wince if their neighbor did.

To that point, I'd say better than 50% of the callers in to C-SPAN have been pro-Trump, blaming the violence on Antifa or even claiming there was no violence. The rot goes far deeper than the band of assholes on display today.

[Lord Shonus]

Judging that kind of thing from the people motivated enough to call into a news program is pretty iffy.

The more interesting thing is the almost total rejection of this by the formal Republican parties.

[MrRoboto75]

The more interesting thing is the almost total rejection of this by the formal Republican parties.

You misspelled "former"

[da_nang]

Looks like the shot woman is dead now.

[TamerVirus]

The last time the US Capital was breached like this was back when the Brits did it in 1814
But then again, the Brits weren't randomly let in by those guarding it

[Dostoevsky]

Looks like the shot woman is dead now.

There's some (newer?) video (here) and it looks like she was shot as she was breaking through a barricade. Not that it excuses getting shot, but does show some context.

[Lord Shonus]

The last time the US Capital was breached like this was back when the Brits did it in 1814
But then again, the Brits weren't randomly let in by those guarding it

Those guarding the capitol would probably have been slaughtered if they tried stopping the mob. And probably also touched off an orgy of violence that killed hundreds or even thousands of innocents. They didn't have the manpower or firepower to stop a crowd like this.

[RedKing]

The last time the US Capital was breached like this was back when the Brits did it in 1814
But then again, the Brits weren't randomly let in by those guarding it

Those guarding the capitol would probably have been slaughtered if they tried stopping the mob. And probably also touched off an orgy of violence that killed hundreds or even thousands of innocents. They didn't have the manpower or firepower to stop a crowd like this.

And that's a huge failure of planning. It's not like this hadn't been telegraphed for weeks, if not months.

[Random_Dragon]

They pretty much let it happen. We're getting more and more overt signs of where some people's loyalties lie.

[Lord Shonus]

When nothing happened after the election, or after the EC voted, people largely seem to have expected this to be yet another fizzle. If people expected anything at all, it would have been at the inauguration. Today's certification was a ceremonial thing so routine that nobody even notices it most elections.



Meanwhile, there's been a statement from Mitt Romney calling this "an insurrection incited by the President of the United States", labeling anybody trying to contest the election beyond convincing, and calling for the Congress to "refrain from further objections and unanimously affirm the legitimacy of the Presidential Election".

[nenjin]

Just imagining what would have happened if thousands of armed BLM protestors had tried to storm the capitol. I have a feeling restraint would have been in short supply.

Also apparently the former police chief of the capitol police said something to the effect of: "I know many of the officers out there today, even trained them myself. What I saw today was "Friggin" (actually said) pathetic."

[martinuzz]

Twitter is now removing Trump's tweets.  This is the first time they do that, even though they were already placing fake news warnings with his tweets before.

[Random_Dragon]

Just imagining what would have happened if thousands of armed BLM protestors had tried to storm the capitol. I have a feeling restraint would have been in short supply.

Also apparently the former police chief of the capitol police said something to the effect of: "I know many of the officers out there today, even trained them myself. What I saw today was "Friggin" (actually said) pathetic."

Exactly this. If the response to this riot (arguably act of terror, protest is definitely too light a term) had been even HALF as forceful as it had been during the BLM protests in DC, the rotunda would've been a killzone.