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[EnigmaticHat]

Her name was already smeared prior to the election by Benghazi and by her emails.  The democratic primary was doubly embarrassing for her.  On one hand she performed poorly against a candidate that had neither her name recognition or money.  On the other hand people have been mad for years over the superdelegates and then the democratic party showed favoritism towards her.  Plus there's has always been a lot of memes about how she either is pathetic for being cheated on by Bill or two-faced for continuing to stay with him.  Which is obviously sexist crap but as we've seen with this election a few memes can go a long way.

All of these things resulted in an overall pessimism towards her.  However most of the complaints against her weren't substantive.  Benghazi was basically the government kicking the state department while it was down.  Could you imagine if people tried to, for example, turn the Texas sniper attack into a witch hunt for the police chief?  Republicans saw that a request to reinforce the security detail had been denied and smelled blood, so they ripped up every dark corner of the government looking for a conspiracy.  There wasn't one, nor was there gross enough incompetence for it to be congress's business rather than the president's.  The emails were always a scam.  The secretary of states before her had a private server and the ones after her did as well.  That doesn't make it right, of course, and an closed door investigation was justified.  The scam comes from the angle Republicans took, that she had the private email server because she was hiding something.  The thing is that every inch of that email server has been ripped open and there was no conspiracy, but the implication that there might be is somehow still there.  Additionally the public nature of the investigation (against typical FBI procedure!) meant that her name was smeared even tho she was found innocent.  As for the democratic primary... yeah, its scummy as fuck.  But Bernie himself wanted Hillary to win the general election.  There's no way in hell you could understand and genuinely agree with Bernie's ideas and think that Trump and Hillary are even slightly similar.

I don't know.  If the backlash against Hillary were more proportionate or the general election had gone differently I wouldn't be defending her but this has always been ridiculous.  If Trump is the stainless steel president where shit slides off of him, Hillary is like the... white t shirt that stains easily.  The candidate for who can be forgiven for everything against the candidate who can be forgiven for nothing, even the fake stuff.

Edit: Also, wikileaks published a searchable database of Hillary's emails.  If anyone in this thread wants to use one of the "but her emails" conspiracy theories, I challenge you to actually link one of her emails that supports it.  With all the journalistic attention this story has gotten, you shouldn't even have to do the legwork yourself.

[misko27]

I think their Final Form defense at the end of all this is going to be, "Look, you knew Trump was fucking crazy when you voted for him! It's WHY you voted for him. You could have stopped this, America. This is entirely your fault."

Speaking of people who have to defend Donald Trump, there was something funny about that in a National Review online article

If there is one thing we’ve learned from this president, it’s that going too far out on a limb brings out the saw. Poor Steve Mnuchin. He went out on Sunday and heaped praise on this joint US-Russia Cyber Fox Force Five idea that the president blurted out on Twitter. Within a few hours, Trump left Mnuchin out to dry. It happens again and again.

[smjjames]

I agree that the backlash wasn't poportionate, but Hillary herself made many mistakes that certainly didn't help (and I don't mean her emails). I'd rather leave things to the analysts and historians to figure things out and for the Dems to learn whatever lessions need to be learned (and theres lots) and move on.

Maybe some of you know, maybe not, Trump is launching a new 'theme week' by focusing on "Made in America" and is doing a showcase of products 'Made in America' from all 50 states. We'll see how well he stays on message during this theme week (which is more likely to draw attention to the fact that he makes or outsources a lot of things) and the 'American Heroes' (seems like that one would be better around Veterans day) and 'American Dreams'.

White House page on it with a listing of what they have in the showcase. I wonder how many of those on the list are 100% made in America, since that's what he is touting, not 'parts from elsewhere and constructed/made/manufactured in America'. Also, personally, I'd have gone with maybe two or three examples per state, four if space and time was available.

[Draignean]

I love how South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah are right next to each other and form such a perfect arrangement: Shotgun chaps, Guitars, Cowboy hats, and flags.

[Bumber]

I completely forgot Delaware was even a state. Cool that they make Space Suits, though.

(I mean, it really sounds more like a capital city. Capital of Maryland.)

[WealthyRadish]

State       Company         Product
Georgia     Chick Fil A     Food

lol

[Egan_BW]

"Food"

[MrRoboto75]

State       Company         Product
Georgia     Chick Fil A     Food

lol

Lucky.

Virginia has "Flags".  FLAGS.  Not tobacco has it has been forever or anything people actually buy more than 5 times per life.  Flags.  And Utah has flags too.

[smjjames]

State       Company         Product
Georgia     Chick Fil A     Food

lol

Heh, yeah, it kind of looks like they almost couldn't find anything for Georgia. I still think it would have made for a better and more varied argument if they went for two, maybe three, or even four, companies per state, get some local stuff on there. Also, with his focus on stuff like steel and factories, I'm surprised that there isn't at least one steel foundry in there.

[Lord Shonus]

In conjunction with the video game information, I presume it's something to do with/associated with the infamous decensored/re-modded 'girlfriend' scenes in GTA:San Andreas. I can't remember it becoming a fiasco, though time obscures much and even if it wasn't a storm in a teacoffee-cup at the time, it'd be no more than a shower in an egg-cup in today's world, I'm sure. For all parties.

It ENTIRELY blew over that is why. Hillary Clinton started a sort of censorship thing, didn't last long... fizzled out.

The only thing I believe that came from it is that videogames can now receive ESRB ratings based on even code that cannot normally be accessed (so they cant like... have a porn video in the code... even if it could only be accessed by hacking the game)

The reason why it looks rather poorly on Hillary is that the games on the docket included... The Sims... Where they are Barbie dolls and a cheat lets you get rid of the blur.

The whole affair was actually very important. What Clinton was pushing for was making it illegal to sell M-rated games to people under 18. This was a huge problem because

1. The ESRB (and the MPAA) is a private entity with little oversight and much controversy.
2. Establishing what amounts to a board of censorship is essentially taking a giant shit on everything this country stands for.

The law she backed (on a Federal level) went nowhere, but provided a springboard for very similar laws to be passed in a few states. Those laws were challenged, and in Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Ass'n the Court ruled that all such laws violated the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, because they are effectively an illegal board of censorship.

[sluissa]

State       Company         Product
Georgia     Chick Fil A     Food

lol

Heh, yeah, it kind of looks like they almost couldn't find anything for Georgia. I still think it would have made for a better and more varied argument if they went for two, maybe three, or even four, companies per state, get some local stuff on there. Also, with his focus on stuff like steel and factories, I'm surprised that there isn't at least one steel foundry in there.

Apparently they didn't even do very much research about what each company actually makes. Wyoming's Aviat Aircraft is listed as making "Model Aircraft." Nowhere on their website do they advertise "model" aircraft, rather they build full sized general aviation aircraft carrying at least a pilot and some models passengers.

And that was simply the first one I dug into, I'll keep digging into others just for fun. But yeah, that list is pretty pathetic. Maybe if Trump actually hired some staff though... maybe this all fell on poor old Spicer's desk on top of whatever else he's doing now.

[smjjames]

I'm not surprised that they half-assed it, probably did it on short notice too. Also, Caterpillar and Campbell (soup) are big companies, you'd think the focus would be on small companies since thats arguably the kind of thing that his supporters would, well, want to support.

Now I'm curious though....

[redwallzyl]

State       Company         Product
Georgia     Chick Fil A     Food

lol

Heh, yeah, it kind of looks like they almost couldn't find anything for Georgia. I still think it would have made for a better and more varied argument if they went for two, maybe three, or even four, companies per state, get some local stuff on there. Also, with his focus on stuff like steel and factories, I'm surprised that there isn't at least one steel foundry in there.

Apparently they didn't even do very much research about what each company actually makes. Wyoming's Aviat Aircraft is listed as making "Model Aircraft." Nowhere on their website do they advertise "model" aircraft, rather they build full sized general aviation aircraft carrying at least a pilot and some models passengers.

And that was simply the first one I dug into, I'll keep digging into others just for fun. But yeah, that list is pretty pathetic. Maybe if Trump actually hired some staff though... maybe this all fell on poor old Spicer's desk on top of whatever else he's doing now.

Did you think it wouldn't be badly done? that's a forgone conclusion for any such shitty propaganda they try and come up with.

[Frumple]

State       Company         Product
Georgia     Chick Fil A     Food

lol

Heh, yeah, it kind of looks like they almost couldn't find anything for Georgia. I still think it would have made for a better and more varied argument if they went for two, maybe three, or even four, companies per state, get some local stuff on there.

I mean, yeah, having half my immediate bloodline coming from savanna fucking chick fil a being what they pick is mildly infuriating. I know the waters have been dying in that state but goddamnit some bloody fast food restaurant chain is not something that should be representing that state. Or at least make it friggin' seafood or somethin', what the hell you jackasses have you never freaking been to any place in georgia not immediately adjacent to an interstate road or airport?

... I mean, I could understand them never having been somewhere like that in georgia, considering, but still. Still!

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Georgia is peaches. That's not even hard. It's on all their logos. It's almost as famous as Florida oranges. I didn't even have to google it.

How incompetent can a person be?